Talk:Taiwanese nationalism

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This article should be deleted. It is simply a small subset of "Taiwanese independence" and the content should be merged and a redirect should be added. The intersect between those that support Taiwanese nationalism and those that do not support Taiwanese independence is a big fat NULL.

Let me also point out that to the average person, meaning people that are participants in the democratic process in Taiwan and in Taiwanese independence, nationalism and independence are indistinguishable. That is, many of them think they should just speak Taiwanese and Taiwan should promote it's own culture as part of Taiwanese independence. It's not logical, but they believe an independent Taiwan and a nationalist Taiwanese identity are the same thing. Think about American culture right after the Revolutionary War and how Americans thus now drive on the right side of the road and not the left. [unsigned]

I don't really see how taiwanese nationalism is different from taiwanese independence and especially localization efforts. BlueShirts 21:07, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We should say, especially because of localization efforts, which are supported by all major political parties, even those opposed to independence. Taiwanese nationalism is the promotion of Taiwan as a nation, while Taiwanese independence is the promotion of Taiwan as a state. You can have a Taiwanese nation (such as by promoting a Taiwanese culture that is separate from Chinese culture) but no independent Republic of Taiwan, just like there is a Tibetan nationality, but no independent Tibet. We can perhaps say that the Democratic Progressive Party, in playing identity politics, favors a Taiwanese nation, but is not promoting Taiwanese independence through the Five Noes.--Jiang 22:33, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's more complicated than it should be. Most people cannot tell the difference between state and nation (as in 56 prc nations). By your definition, Taiwanese nationalism is comparable to Taiwanese localization, that both of them exclusively promote a Taiwanese cultural identity, while Taiwanese independence promotes a separate state. So I think it's best to redirect Taiwanese nationalism to Taiwanese localization, if that's what you mean by nationalism. However, I think in common usage Taiwanese nationalism is pretty much equal to Taiwanese independence, or just supplant the ROC with ROT, with no independence involved. BlueShirts 22:52, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

take a look at how the term is being used in chinese: [1]. --Jiang 04:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

cultural nationalism? BlueShirts 19:22, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]