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Shaanxi Northwest Youth F.C. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No evidence of notability for this amateur football club. JTtheOG (talk) 23:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete -- (moderate) -- per nominator. Also, not a reason for deletion, but; article mentions that it "secured a first-place finish in the 2024 FA Cup qualifiers ranking." Yet the 2024 Chinese FA Cup does not mention the team? Odd. MWFwiki (talk) 00:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 17:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Chongqing Chunlei F.C. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No evidence of independent notability for this amateur football club. JTtheOG (talk) 23:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete -- (moderate) -- Even less notability than Shaanxi NW Youth FC which I also voted to delete... so, consistency, and all that.

MWFwiki (talk) 00:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 17:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ClickUp (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Usual issue. I see there was a minor dispute among previous reviewers (MaxnaCarta, Dclemens1971, it is not entirely clear if the passing assessment was made on the basis of sources already cited or those found in a BEFORE) as to the notability of the subject. After reviewing the sources, I am inclined to quite firmly agree with the negative case. In the interest of not edit warring the tag back in, I will be presenting my source assessment here. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:28, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the above source assessment is broadly representative of the state of available sourcing, which is still at the moment well short of that required to meet NCORP (multiple sources meeting all four criteria), though I don't expect it to be entirely comprehensive. I would welcome any additional sources. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:28, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Apologies! I edited this randomly as I was Googling Asana and ClickUp. I saw that it was inaccurate and merely wanted to make it accurate.

There are a lot of articles about ClickUp and I've added them as sources before:

https://www.fastcompany.com/91036895/clickup-most-innovative-companies-2024

https://www.crn.com/news/software/tech-layoffs-saas-startup-clickup-once-valued-at-4b-cuts-10-percent-of-employees

https://tech.co/project-management-software/clickup-vs-trello

https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/clickup

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20240130528352/en/Introducing-ClickUp-Brain-The-First-AI-Neural-Network-for-Work

https://techcrunch.com/2021/10/27/clickup-raises-400m-at-a-4b-valuation-to-expand-its-all-in-one-workplace-productivity-platform-to-europe/

https://www.fastcompany.com/90856730/clickup-project-management-artificial-intelligence

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-15/software-maker-clickup-reaches-1-billion-value-in-funding-round

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/clickup-raises-400m-in-series-c-funding-the-biggest-investment-in-workplace-productivity-history-301409506.html

I would feel incredibly guilty if the article was deleted even though it has been stable for a year now because of my interference. Let me know how I could further help.

Thank you! Modernwoman2021 (talk) 03:25, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the Bloomberg article is a great green source? I saw the perennial sources list and it shows Bloomberg as a good source.

Thank you so much for your assistance! It's my first edit so apologies for my mistake. Modernwoman2021 (talk) 03:50, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a newer Bloomberg article: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/audio/2024-12-03/clickup-ceo-on-work-platforms-for-an-ai-world-tech-disruptors

and ClickUp's Bloomberg profile: https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/1810376D:US

But I still have sources for ClickUp in Yahoo News/Finance here:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/introducing-clickup-brain-first-ai-171400354.html

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/clickup-wants-notion-confluence-ai-162200168.html

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/productivity-platform-clickup-acquires-calendar-094126461.html

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/linkdaddy-backlink-agency-clickup-integration-020400608.html Modernwoman2021 (talk) 03:54, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's nothing to do with you Modernwoman2021, you can rest assured that the article had been on my list now for a while, it just took me a while to get around to it, and deletion on Wikipedia won't mean the content would be lost permenantly (you can request it be emailed and reuse it per the CC BY-SA licence) just that it is deemed unsuitable for inclusion at the current time. Alpha3031 (t • c) 08:42, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As for the new sources that you found, would you be willing to pick out the best three at meeting the 4 required criteria (WP:SIRS) to establish suitability for inclusion on Wikipedia (WP:NCORP) and explain how they meet the criteria in your opinion? I will be looking at them later when I have time regardless, and you don't have to put them into a table like I have (that takes a lot of effort IMO and probably isn't worth it).

All four criteria must be met by the core sources that you pick: the sources used to establish inclusion must be in-depth (there must be a significant amount of content, and it must not be trivial coverage, which has some examples listed here, though the list is not exhaustive); independent (meaning we can only count things that are not quotes or taken from press material, or appear to be taken from press material, and the source must be free from any actual or perceived conflicts of interest); reliable (has a reputation for fact checking and accuracy, probably the easiest one since most news organisations are considered reliable enough); and secondary (the source must include original analysis, interpretation or synthesis by the source, it cannot be simple statements of fact, it must interpret those facts for us to be able to use it on Wikipedia). Alpha3031 (t • c) 08:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Alpha3031!

I appreciate the effort in explaining to me what the criterias are! They are incredibly helpful :D

But since this is just my first time, I added more than three sources, I couldn't really determine the top three ones so these are what I have:

Source	URL	Reason
Inc.	https://www.inc.com/magazine/202210/paul-kix/clickup-zeb-evans-dying-to-succeed-2022.html	This is an article about ClickUp's founder, Zeb Evans that is published by an independent third-party source on Inc., a reliable and secondary news platorm.
London Loves Business	https://londonlovesbusiness.com/businesses-are-optimistic-about-growth-with-85-per-cent-expecting-growth-in-2023/	This article is in-depth but is more like the writer getting ClickUp's opinion on growth? But it is independent, reliable and secondary, though.
Yahoo Finance	https://finance.yahoo.com/news/asana-rival-clickup-hits-1b-120128290.html	This is an article all about ClickUp's growth published on Yahoo Finance by a third-party so I believe it meets all the criteria :D (Please correct if I'm wrong.)
Bloomberg	https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-15/software-maker-clickup-reaches-1-billion-value-in-funding-round	Same article as the above but this is published in Bloomberg, another reliable and secondary source.
Bloomberg	https://www.bloomberg.com/news/audio/2024-12-03/clickup-ceo-on-work-platforms-for-an-ai-world-tech-disruptors	This is a very recent article on Bloomberg about ClickUp. It's actually a podcast episode where ClickUp's founder, Zeb Evans, talked about ClickUp and its entrance to the AI industry on Bloomberg's official podcast.
Business Insider	https://www.businessinsider.com/clickup-building-seasoned-executive-team-servicenow-zscaler-growth-2022-10	This is an article by a third-party regarding ClickUp's new executive team published in Business Insider.

I really hope any of these can help!

Once again, thank you for the very detailed guide, it is incredible and super helpful in teaching me how to become a proper editor in Wikipedia :D

Thank you and I hope you have a great day!

Modernwoman2021 (talk) 11:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Didn't see the ping originally, but yes, I was the new page reviewer who did a WP:BEFORE when seeing the notability tag during new page review and decided it passed NCORP. Still think so. While I appreciate the nominator's incredibly thorough and detailed source assessment, I would also count this Fast Company profile as independent sigcov. Meanwhile, there are several editorially independent and in-depth product reviews that would count toward NCORP, including MarketWatch Guides, TechRadar, and PCMag. It's a marginal case but I think it crosses the line to an NCORP pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:25, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• re the new sources, I initially struck the FastCo "Most Innovative Companies of 2024" article because it didn't meet ORGDEPTH, but it's worth noting it also fails ORGIND since FastCo charges a few hundred dollars for companies to be considered for the list. I'm really not comfortable accepting reviews with affiliate links for the product being reviewed either Dclemens1971, (even if the actual content is unaffected, there is the expectation that such coverage is less selective and more routine given the direct conflict of interest) which means striking MarketWatch and PCMag sources, as well as the tech.co one from Modernwoman2021. I am aware that there isn't a strong consensus on actually doing so in all cases though, so I would be willing to kick it up to WP:RSN for a determination on this specific case if challenged (either on some or all of those three sources), but unless we go for that, when there is any doubt ORGIND advises to exercise caution and exclude. As for TechRadar, I'm not sure it meets WP:PRODUCTREV, much of it seems very generic "copied from the feature list/marketing material" like prose, which also raises questions about the independence of the content (as opposed to the functional independnece concerns with the other sources): responsive, visually appealing look we enjoyed when testing the platform. is really the only bit that stands out as indicating personal experience with the software, and even there it fails to provide broader context or draw comparisons. There is a section on "the competition" but I would give it at best a partial pass, and it's the only source that I would do so for so far. Alpha3031 (t • c) 08:42, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• As for the other sources from Modernwoman2021:

The Inc. article is mostly about Evans. I haven't really evaluated whether I'd think it met the intellectual independence part of WP:ORGIND, but there isn't enough coverage actually about the company itself for it to meet WP:CORPDEPTH (see § Significant coverage of the company itself: a biography of a CEO is a significant coverage for the Wikipedia article on the product or the CEO, but not a significant coverage on the company (unless the article or biography devotes significant attention to the company itself).).

For LondonLovesBusiness, it's not clear to me that it's a sufficiently well established news organisation to be considered generally reliable, especially with the byline. I don't see any indication of the editorial process. In any case, content supplied by the organisation in question would definitely fail intellectual independence, and there is again little to no coverage of the company itself.

The Yahoo Finance / Benzinga article is a routine article which is the standard fare that gets published for essentially every funding round that happens, it's a type of article that's explicitly excluded by WP:CORPDEPTH.

The next Bloomberg article is the same. As for the podcast appearance, comments by Evans would again be excluded by the intellectual independence part of WP:ORGIND

Announcements of hiring, promotion, or departure of personnel like Business Insider again falls under WP:CORPROUTINE.

For the sources not in the table of 5 sources, ignoring the Business Wire and PR Newswire news releases (WP:ORGIND, obviously) the first block of sources (with the exception of tech.co) are in the previous source assessment table so I'll refrain from repeating myself (click show to expand). tech.co on the other hand, as mentioned, has functional independence concerns due to affiliate marketing, though these are something I'd be willing to raise with RSN case by case.

In the second block, Bloomberg profiles are pretty much database entries. This one has three sentences with thirty something words, but even longer profiles are rarely considered sufficient for WP:CORPDEPTH. The first and last Yahoo Finance articles are actually also press releases (Business Wire and Newsfile) and the two TechCrunch articles seem to be routine announcements of a new product feature and M&A activity respectively. Alpha3031 (t • c) 09:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Anyway, my overall impression is that this is a company that has done a lot of the usual SPIP work, it's done all the right startup things, but overall, it is still too soon for us to have an article on it on Wikipedia. There is certainly a lot to work through, and I do appreciate everyone for chipping in with their efforts (also appreciate the confirmation from Dclemens1971 that the assessment of a NCORP pass was from a BEFORE and not from the sources already in the article). At the moment though, my answer to whether it is possible for the subject to meet NCORP is still unfortunately in the negative. Happy new year though, everyone! Alpha3031 (t • c) 09:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: I agree with the very thorough analysis by Alpha301 above, none of the sources meet GNG/ORG criteria for establishing notability. HighKing⁺⁺ 15:49, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tzameret Fuerst (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Advert. all sources are PR, no in-depth personal coverage --Altenmann >talk 15:28, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• The sources on Fuerst's page are terrible, and it's unclear if she meets WP:NBIO. However, her startup Circ MedTech absolutely meets WP:GNG, with WP:SIGCOV in New York Times, Haaretz, Tablet, VoA, Times of Israel, NoCamels, Reuters, among others. I'll go ahead and create Circ MedTech, and propose we redirect Fuerst to Circ MedTech. Longhornsg (talk) 22:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC) 05:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

please note and check that the start up got raft of criticism, allegedly unproven scientific benefits. It is mentioned briefly in the book "Thou Shalt Innovate" by Avi Jorisch, pp. 190-191, the book dedicated to the start up 33 words, the book discuss the greatest innovations that came out of Israel. And guess what ? Tzameret Fuerst not mentioned there, but the three founders of the company mentioned there. It is not her Start-Up, she was married to one of the founders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0D:6FC7:50E:22C2:778:5634:1232:5476 (talk)

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• Delete: The circumcision device might be notable [3], but this person is only mentioned in context of the company or the device. I don't see notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stuart Beckingham (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:54, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Same as the others. Doesn’t meet GNG or RS requirements. Delete. Go4thProsper (talk) 21:41, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: The only source in the article may be WP:SIGCOV based on the purported headline but it is a dead link. I found a few sentences of coverage at [[4]] but I'm not quite convinced this subject has the requisite coverage to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 22:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sydney Pulver (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I am unable to find any WP:SIGCOV from third-party sources for this American soccer player. JTtheOG (talk) 19:29, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to List of San Diego Wave FC players as possible search term. GiantSnowman 09:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Draftify - It's well sourced, it just may be Wikipedia: Too soon. RossEvans19 23:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - there are enough secondary-party sources involved, from The Daily Evergreen, The Spokesman-Review, and Lewiston Morning Tribune. [5][6][7][8] Whether that's enough sigcov in combination per WP:BASIC is another story, but certainly no need for third-party sources here per GNG. There is otherwise coverage beyond WP:ROUTINE, so per WP:SPORTBASIC it's likely there are enough sources for notability, even if not a guarantee. If it's a case of too soon then WP:DRAFTIFY would be a better option here. CNC (talk) 10:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Third-party sources are a requirement for GNG... JoelleJay (talk) 03:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect. The Daily Evergreen is not independent and so does not count. The Spokesman-Review and Lewiston Morning Tribune articles are brief, routine blurbs about her signing lightly refactored (as in, would absolutely fail our close-paraphrasing rules) from the same press release, and additionally are far from the SPORTSCRIT #5 requirement, let alone the SUSTAINED SIGCOV in multiple IRS sources required by GNG. I see zero reason to draftify considering her contract ended in 2022 and there is no evidence she continues to play professionally. JoelleJay (talk) 03:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Apologies, per above I mixed up third-party with tertiary, ie party and person. Agree the student newspaper isn't independent here, and given your reasoning that the subject hasn't been playing since 2022, best to redirect instead. CNC (talk) 09:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to List of San Diego Wave FC players : Agree with JoelleJay that this subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV from multiple independent, reliable sources needed to meet the WP:GNG. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 15:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify, per Evans Reader of Information (talk) 15:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Malé garage fire (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I'm struggling to find much of any WP:SUSTAINED coverage of this tragedy. Basically all the coverage is within a day or two of the event, with the only exception I found being this. I can't find any evidence of these supposed extensive discussions of the event, but I'm no expert on Maldivian media. JTtheOG (talk) 23:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: This event doesn't seem to be covered much on the news from my research. Unilandofma^{(Talk to me!)} 00:22, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bobo Ajudua (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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One major problem is that this creation is likely a paid contribution that is undisclosed. The citations are evaluated based on this version as follows;

Citation 1 is a paid promotional puff and also a falsehood, especially when it said Ajudua’s impact is particularly evident in his work with Davido. He played a key role as a co-writer for “NA MONEY,” a track from Davido’s Timeless album that features The Cavemen and Angelique Kidjo. There is, as a matter of fact, no credit on anyone such as Bobo Ajudua if you check any of your streaming platforms for the single "Na Money" by Davido, and this alone is ridiculous and makes this whole thing iffy.

Citation 2 does is not only a paid puff but does not provide the substantial coverage we require to pass WP:GNG.

Citation 3 is not only an unreliable source, it lacks a byline and, even if it does have a byline, does not provide the substantial coverage required to satisfy WP:GNG.

Citation 4 is not only a run of the mill piece, it lacks a byline and fails WP:SIGCOV.

Citation 5 from marginally reliable Vanguard does nothing but promotes and praises the subject such that only one or two useful information is passed. Take a look at the ridiculous line breaks while scrolling through the piece.

Citation 6 is just like Citation 5 above, does nothing but praises the subject ridiculously such the nothing notable is passes as an information. Over the years, he has cultivated a reputation for his thorough understanding of corporate law, intellectual property, and entertainment law. His expertise ensures that artists, creatives, and brands are not only legally protected but also strategically positioned for sustainable growth. What is the job of an entertainment lawyer? How is this anybody's business? What's notable about ensuring his clients are strategically positioned for sustainable growth?

Citation 7 is yet another paid puff about his brands that are doing nothing but their job, and in this context, lacks the substantial coverage required to satisfy WP:GNG for this subject.

People get sacked from their jobs everyday, what is notable about the subject being sacked?

What is Wikipedia's business with whether the father attended the subject's wedding or not?

Every other source I skipped are just as bad as the ones I already evaluated. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Subject hasn't suddenly become notable since the last time this was discussed. --Richard Yin (talk) 10:29, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Striking my vote since the reliability of Nigerian news outlets, which have covered the subject in some depth, is subject to an ongoing discussion in which I don't have an opinion. --Richard Yin (talk) 12:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. Most of the sources here are used to verify informations and not as a means of promotion. There are sources which you have discarded simply because they were worded in a way that you do not like and I wonder when Wikipedia started dictating the tone of sources as I am fully aware that sources are allowed to be biased if they are reliable. The mix up in the PM News articles can be corrected with a simple mail to the editor (as it is standard procedure) and not my fault that the mix up occurred. I’ll present atleast three sources plus the fact that “Hmmm” which is a single in a Grammy nominated album "11:11 (Chris Brown album)" was co-written by Ajudua. This information was definitely not available in the last discussion. Ahola .O (talk) 18:06, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Wikipedia started dictating the tone of sources! since Wikipedia:Neutral point of view existed and plus this is not the place for trivia and gossip (see WP:NOTGOSSIP), like really, why would we care whether the father attended the subject's wedding or not.

  This is a biographies of a living person, so we need to be even more careful when it comes to writing and sourcing. FuzzyMagma (talk) 11:10, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  WP:YESPOV shows that articles could be non-neutral and our responsibility as editors is to present these views as neutral as possible. When it comes to being biased, I believe articles can be biased too per WP:RSBIAS; unless I’m interpreting the policies wrong.

  The article about the father being absent is a celebrity article but I used it because it gives context into the married. Ahola .O (talk) 12:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  You are, in fact, misunderstanding and misinterpreting them. I couldn’t even comprehend what your view of NPOV and reliable sourcing is. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  What do you not understand? Every source must not follow Wikipedia’s policies as each outlets has its own style of writing. Again, I ask, are we dictating that the tone of sources even when they have bylines are no evidence that they were sponsored? I think you are the one who does not understand WP:NPOV here. Also, if there are promotionals tone that I must have mistakenly added, is deletion the avenue for it? Ahola .O (talk) 12:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Sources show that the subject is notable.:

Jonahakuso (talk) 06:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)— Jonahakuso (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Keep. There are sources that were not available in the last discussions. This one from PM News was published in April, 2023; this from Nigerian Tribune where they called him a pioneer] was published in 2022 and contrary to Vanderwaalforces that this is just passing mentions, this has some information on him; this from TheNEWS has an in-depth coverage on his company(ies). was published in July 2023; this from The Guardian was published in November 2023; this from Daily Times was published in 2024; This from Vanguard (which has been labelled a marginal reliable) has a byline and can be used to establish some notability. I believe that these sources meet the WP:GNG because 1) they are independent of the subject 2) has indepth coverage 3) are reliable 4) has demonstrated independent coverage. If anyone thinks otherwise, I would change my mind if there are evidence and not just there words ie some citations.

Ajudua is a co-writer of a Grammy nominated album 11:11 which meets WP:NCOMPOSER #1 and #4. This information is verifiable on every music streaming platform. Ahola .O (talk) 15:50, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that most of these sources taken together can arguably count as in-depth coverage, but I'd also like to note here that the reliability of most Nigerian news outlets is the subject of an ongoing discussion above my pay grade. I'll strike my vote above since I don't have an opinion on the reliability of these sources.

I will point out though that the subject is not co-writer of a Grammy-nominated album, he is co-writer of one track on a Grammy-nominated album. Most of the co-writers listed in 11:11 (Chris Brown album) don't have articles. --Richard Yin (talk) 12:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources I had shown above shows that the Ajudua has coverages since 2022 or thereabout and I am sure that an extensive search will definitely show more.

I am not basing the notability here with just the single track. I am showing that amongst the sources that they meet a criteria there also, atleast #1. Ahola .O (talk) 14:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Echoing my last !vote, nothing has changed since November when we last visited with an AFD about this person. I don't see notability based on the sources, which, as explained, are all puff or PR items. Oaktree b (talk) 00:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Oaktree b above. The new sources mentioned above appear to be simply fresh paid puff pieces and interviews, and being fired by a celebrity client is at best WP:BLP1E. His involvement in notable projects has been minor: for example, as noted above he co-wrote one song on an album nominated for a Grammy. None of this quite brings it over the line for WP:BIO. Wikishovel (talk) 19:30, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This article and its sources fail to meet WP:BASIC in my opinion. Source 2 is an opinion, says so in the title. Source 3 does not exist. Source 5 sounds like ChatGPT; "Rather than simply promoting a product, he crafts strategic partnerships that align with the brand’s long-term goals." Source 6 seems to simply copy and paste the existing information in the WP article in question. The creator of this article seems to have some type of conflict (monetary or otherwise) as evidenced on his talk page, especially because this article has been in AfD before. All of this smells really bad to me hence my vote to delete promptly. Mamani1990 (talk) 02:48, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Clearly not notable per WP:GNG; representing celebrities doesn't necessarily suit well or aims that he/she may be notable. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Neither (short story) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Does not meet WP:GNG; unsourced DrowssapSMM 16:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Question Is this the same text that served as libretto for Morton Feldman's 1977 "anti-opera" Neither? (See also [9], [10][11].) That would probably establish mild notability (or at least notoriousness) and be grounds for a Merge instead of a Delete. – Tea2min (talk) 18:52, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Neither (opera). Yes, as Tea2min says, Neither is not a short story but rather a libretto written for Feldman's 1977 opera. Most scholarly analysis and commentary is in the context of the combined work rather than the Beckett text in isolation, so a merge is appropriate. Significant coverage includes the following:

• Laws, Catherine (1998). "Morton Feldman's Neither: A Musical Translation of Beckett's Text". In Bryden, Mary (ed.). Samuel Beckett and Music. Oxford University Press. pp. 57–86. doi:10.1093/oso/9780198184270.003.0005.
• Tubridy, Derval (2020). "Beckett, Feldman, Salcedo... Neither". In Caselli, Daniela (ed.). Beckett and Nothing: Trying to Understand Beckett. Manchester University Press. pp. 43–159.
• Laws, Catherine (2017). "Feldman – Beckett – Johns: Patterning, Memory and Subjectivity". In Heile, Björn (ed.). The Modernist Legacy: Essays on New Music. Taylor & Francis. pp. The Modernist Legacy: Essays on New Music.

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SpongeKnob SquareNuts (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Don't think this meets WP:NFILM or WP:GNG - not enough significant coverage in reliable sources, in my opinion. I don't think Bubbleblabber, which is cited five times, is a source reliable enough to provide notability. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:12, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep (as creator) - Buzzfeed (in 2018, WP:BUZZFEEDNEWS), The Hollywood Reporter, and Esquire are all reliable sources that establish notability. I also don't see any reason to doubt the reliability of the HTF and Inside Hook sources, which are both interviews in print magazines. Di (they-them) (talk) 13:23, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think a classic Buzzfeed listicle article would be WP:BUZZFEEDNEWS, that would be WP:BUZZFEED. Is everything mentioned in a buzzfeed clickbait list notable? The article fails GNG as it doesn't address the topic in detail. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 13:37, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even as a "clickbait list" it serves as an opinion piece that provides reception and points towards notability. Di (they-them) (talk) 13:44, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to the director's article. The refs only talk about the movie in passing while speaking of the director. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 13:52, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: the BuzzFeed list article is not significant or from a reliable source, the Hollywood Reporter article is very just a few sentences long and not "in detail" per SIGCOV, and the Esquire article is more about the director and only mentions the parody three times in passing, and thus not "in detail" either. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 13:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Further comment: The HTF and InsideHook articles are also like the Esquire article in that they are simply interviews with the director and only tangentially mention the video. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 15:50, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Di. Juwan (talk) 13:58, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I agree that the BuzzFeed nor the Hollywood Reporter articles don’t make a compelling notability case. E_F⁵ 14:01, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  It looks like all participants thus far except Darth Stabro (but including the nominator and myself) are active on that server. Toadspike [Talk] 14:04, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I !voted before they accidently mentioned it. And it hasn't done any damage, the !votes disagree with each other. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 14:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  While I am on the server, I was not online when the message was sent. E_F⁵ 15:54, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I apologize, it was not my intent to bring attention to the discussion or to canvas. I offhandedly mentioned it to express that I was annoyed at a page in queue for DYK being AFD'd, and when I realized that it could be interpreted badly I deleted the message. Again, I apologize. I will be more careful in the future. Di (they-them) (talk) 14:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  It being in a queue for DYK is why it was nominated; see this comment on WT:DYK. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:18, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I lean towards delete, as I expressed at DYK – The Hollywood Reporter doesn't go into much depth, Hit the Floor and Esquire are mainly interviews, and BuzzFeed definitely doesn't count on this one. I might be convinced that The Hollywood Reporter, InsideHook, and Bubbleblabber make a very weak GNG pass, but the last two just aren't very weighty sources and if this is the best the article can be from those sources, then yeah, I'm not sure I see it. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: given the coverage identified; also see https://mommyish.com/porn-parody/ https://www.cineserie.com/news/cinema/top-des-parodies-x-les-plus-droles-du-cinema-4163152/ etc. A ’decent’ article is possible so that redirect is not necessary and I am opposed to deletion. -Mushy Yank. 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mentioned briefly in the The Oxford Handbook of Adaptation Studies and in the Bibliography of Sex and Sexuality in Modern Screen Remakes mentioning an article in Hornet in 2013.-Mushy Yank. 00:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first one is a blog and the second is just a listicle like Buzzfeed that doesn't have any detail. I don't think those really count, for the same reasons the other sources don't. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 00:56, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those ”listicles” include significant coverage and are no trivial mentions, so, yes, they really "count" imv. -Mushy Yank. 02:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Significant" is defined as "directly and in detail", which a few passing sentences in a listicle isn't. It's direct, I suppose, but in The CineSerie list, half of the mention is just talking about the concept of parodying cartoons in this format; you don't actually learn anything about the video itself other than that it exists. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 02:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I beg to differ. You don’t learn everything about the video but you learn something, and not mereley that it exists, no, sorry but that is simply not true; you learn that it is a live-acton film, that it is bizarre, that it has weird sex scenes and some sequences are deemed ridiculous, you learn that it was meant to traumatize the child in you...., which the commentaror backs up with a quote. So, not trivial, significant, and the same goes for the other sources. -Mushy Yank. 02:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Deeply unimpressed by source quality and coverage. The Hollywood Reporter is the best coverage, and it's still just a brief blurb N. Bubbleblabber is clearly not RS N. Hit the Floor is a low-quality group blog with a single sentence fragment of coverage outside the interview N. Inside Hook, if it's even RS, is still a trivial one-sentence mention N. Esquire coverage is exclusively in an interview N. Instagram is worthless N. BuzzFeed is a non-RS listicle N. Mommyish is blatantly not RS, why even link it N. Cineserie is also not RS (byline is just "Hatman")—at best it's tabloid junk "edited" by people whose professional journalism credentials are unverifiable—and anyway is just barely three sentences in a listicle, very far from SIGCOV N. JoelleJay (talk) 23:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Buzzfeed not RS, how? Bubbleblabber, not reliable, ”clearly”, why? For the rest, the sources you indicate as just a blurb, just a listicle, and so on address the subject in what are not trivial mentions, some being of lesser quality than other. As to ’why even list it”, read my comment and WP:OR and you’ll know. -Mushy Yank. 04:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • By which Mushy Yank means they have added references to sugarcookie.xxx (!), cartoonbrew.com, and the Daily Beast. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Yes, Mushy Yank also says that you’re most welcome! -Mushy Yank. 12:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    For the record, please see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 423#Cartoon Brew and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 281#Is The Daily Beast a reliable source -Mushy Yank. 12:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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David Smith (chef) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No indication of notability whatsoever. A google search didn't reveal much. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 23:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete WP:ADMASQ, obvious highly promotional article with promotional intentions of a person of questionable notability. Graywalls (talk) 23:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete poorly cited orphan article that fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 14:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rat's Brains & Microchips (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Doesn't meet WP:NALBUM. Lacks reliable sources that give significant coverage. Skyshiftertalk 22:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Tse with long left leg (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Probably does not pass GNG; no significant coverage. Janhrach (talk) 19:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abkhaz alphabet; Tse (Cyrillic) (technically a merge) are suitable targets. -Mushy Yank. 08:23, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ANNO: X (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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None of the sources appear to be reliable. Doesn't meet WP:GNG / WP:NALBUM. Skyshiftertalk 22:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Bruins–Flyers rivalry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Upon a search for sources, the only sustainable one (and its partial at best) was [12]. There was a TV series called NHL Rivals which covered these two teams, but since it was published in part by the NHL and its broadcast partner, NBC, it would be a primary source. If not delete, then I would recommend a partial merge to List of NHL rivalries Conyo14 (talk) 22:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I was the original author of this article, but since there have been several additions to the article, I am going this route. Conyo14 (talk) 22:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Basically every team is a rival with every other team, as exemplified by the meaningless made-up statement in the lead "The two teams have been rivals since the Flyers inception". If all the article can do is outline a history of meet-ups – which, again, every team has, including in decades of playoffs – and doesn't describe how the teams and fans actually view the rivalry to give it some substance, there is no reason for an article. The entire article is excessively wordy game descriptions one could make for any combination of teams, but nothing about the rivalry itself. Reywas92^Talk 20:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • But props to nom/creator for acknowledging the weakness of sources. Fine with a merge/redirect since there's already List of NHL rivalries#Boston Bruins vs. Philadelphia Flyers. Reywas92^Talk 15:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Josh Whidborne (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:33, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no notable coverage. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 23:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment He has had multiple articles written about him on the daily post such as [13] and [14]. Also at Oxford Mail [15]. There is also a short article on the BBC [16]. I think this article subject is worth taking a close look at. I will look further when I have more time before casting a keep/delete vote.Canary757 (talk) 10:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Keep with addition of new reference below.Canary757 (talk) 08:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: In addition to the sources provided above, which each provide coverage about the subject, there is also [[17]], which allows for WP:NBASIC to be met. Let'srun (talk) 20:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Nowhere near enough non-routine IRS SIGCOV directly on Whidborne. The Leader article has barely two sentences on him individually—the rest is either general background on the pair's junior ice skating performance or in quotes—and the Daily Post announcements combined have about one sentence directly on him. The Oxford Mail article is routine coverage of, again, the pair, and additionally fails WP:YOUNGATH. The BBC press release is three sentences, with Josh Whidborne, 18, from Wheatley took the senior title being the extent of coverage of Whidborne, thus failing 3/4 GNG criteria. JoelleJay (talk) 03:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - per new citations that were found by Canary757 and Let'srun, notability is established and WP:NBASIC met.Shinadamina (talk) 05:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per the above sources. I reject JoelleJay's innacurate analysis of some of the sources. The two Daily Post articles each have a few paragraphs of SIGCOV about Whidborne's doubles skating career. The fact that the majority of this coverage is about Whidborne as part of a duet and not about him individually does not invalidate it in terms of GNG elegibility. The Leader article offers a more in-depth profile which can easily count toward GNG. The Oxford Mail piece also adds sigcov but JoelleJay correctly brings up YOUNGATH concerns as this was local coverage of the subject as a minor (with the other sources I mentioned, this one is not needed to establish GNG is met). Frank Anchor 20:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Brünnhilde (cat) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This article is about a couple of old photographs that "went viral" last year. There's no evidence that this is a subject that attracted significant coverage in the new or elsewhere and as such the page fails WP:NOTABILITY. It is internet pop culture trivia. Ermenrich (talk) 15:51, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep (as creator): I believe this subject passes WP:GNG. It has non-trivial coverage from secondary sources independent of the subject. Di (they-them) (talk) 16:47, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which sources exactly, we have the Library of Congress and what appear to be blogs. Neither of which is reliable or terribly notable. Oaktree b (talk) 16:55, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semafor isn't a blog. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:52, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it's not, but I doubt it's very good for establishing notability on a subject.--Ermenrich (talk) 20:32, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's in the Library of Congress Magazine (November/December 2020), p. 11. Viriditas (talk) 00:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Well, it got no coverage in RS. The best I could find was in Boing Boing [18] and the Toronto Public Library kids blog [19]... That pretty much shows this isn't a notable concept. The photo is from 1936, so there is obviously no lasting influence if we're only talking about it now, almost 100 years later. Oaktree b (talk) 16:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Wouldn't even call "Boing Boing" reliable, seems like a bunch of random crap. I mean, Skibidi Toilet Fortnite and Fart Piano??? I'm having a laugh just looking at the site's contents. E_F⁵ 18:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't think that writing about strange subjects indicates that a source is unreliable. "Skibidi Toilet Fortnite" has also been written about by IGN, Polygon, and The New York Times, which are all reliable sources. Claiming that having strange article titles or subjects disqualifies a website's reliability just doesn't hold up. Di (they-them) (talk) 20:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  ...yes, and none of those are Boing Boing or known exclusively for covering Skibid Toilet Fortnite and related such things.--Ermenrich (talk) 20:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Boing Boing is not known exclusively for covering Skibidi Toilet Fortnite and related such things. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:59, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  By related things I meant "etc." See the list by Ef5.--Ermenrich (talk) 23:04, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My point is, they write about all sorts of non-notable things, which doesn't establish notability in my view. One source is not enough to establish notability, and LOC maintains a huge database, and also doesn't establish notability. All other sources are trivial/non-RS. E_F⁵ 15:04, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - nothing significant about it. Deriannt (talk) 19:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep. According to LOC curator Anne Wilkes Tucker, they looked at a million photos, isolated 4000 from that set, and then selected 440 for the exhibition. The process took several years, with the end result reflecting the visual history of America. This particular photo of a cat was chosen for its "whimsical" nature. According to the Associated Press which reviewed the exhibition in Los Angeles (Rogers, John, April 21, 2018, Library of Congress brings America to life in LA photo show, AP) the photo is important in American culture because it represents an early example of the "funny cat picture" from 1936. Photo curator Beverly Brannan told the AP: "Around the turn of the century, in the early 19-somethings, people liked to make pictures of cats and dogs, putting them at tea tables with dolls, putting clothes on them". Rogers writes that the photo reveals "that at least one aspect of photography hasn't changed much in 150 years". Steve Appleford covered the exhibition in a bit more detail for the Los Angeles Times, going into the backstory of the exhibition, why Tucker chose the cat photo (it made her laugh). A year later, Douglas Perry of The Oregonian included the image of Brünnhilde in his May 2019 article about early historical photos of cats in America, referring to it as part of a select set of "memorable American cat images". Mark Jenkins reviewed the exhibition for The Washington Post in April 2022 and highlighted the significance of the selection of these particular images, representing 440 of the total collection of 15 million in the LOC. Is the image notable outside this exhibition? Unlikely, but it achieved notability by being included in it and being described as an early, pre-internet example of what eventually became known as the Cats and the Internet phenomenon. What's unusual, is that we have no coverage of the early 20th century practice of dressing cats up in photos that Brannan told the AP about, and yet here it is and people want to delete it. Viriditas (talk) 23:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Both whimsical cat photos, and famous cats, are ubiquitous now and are unquestionably part of our online culture. Brünnhilde is an early example and is significant for that reason. Wikipedia features an article about the oldest surviving photograph even though it is not really significant except for that. Wikipedia also has an article for Morris the Cat, who is unexceptional apart from also being a famous cat. --WillisBlackburn (talk) 15:03, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• This is the sort of subject where I'm inclined to err on the side of weak keep, but a suggestion for Di (they-them): whip up a quick article for Not an Ostrich, which is much more solidly notable, and merge this into a dedicated section of that article. FWIW. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 21:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Good idea, I will do that. Di (they-them) (talk) 22:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge as suggested seems reasonable, otherwise delete. The coverage is too weak for a standalone article. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 08:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Progressive conservatism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Something of a procedural AfD. Article was subject to a delete !vote in 2014 but, irregularly, was turned into a redirect instead of being deleted. I say this was irregular because "redirect" was not the closer's notes. However this led to the eventual forking off of the present version of the page from the surviving redirect. I am personally neutral about whether to delete this article but felt an AfD would be an appropriate way of ascertaining present community consensus regarding how to handle it. Simonm223 (talk) 20:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete as original research and WP:SYNTH. Wellington Bay (talk) 20:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment it's interesting to note that there are quite a few references to "progressive conservatism" on JStor - but not with regard to the Canadian political ideology. Simonm223 (talk) 23:04, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Likewise Google Books has reference to "progressive conservatism" in the comtext of US, UK and Japanese politics but, again, not in Canada. Simonm223 (talk) 23:06, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Even if the page contains original research and SYNTH, that is not a reason for deletion, at least not on its own (there are exceptions like WP:TNT for a completely unsalvageable page, which does seem to be the reason it was deleted 10 years ago). As the nominator demonstrated in their comment above, sources are out there to demonstrate the subject is notable, and notability requirements do not require that said sources are in the current version of the article. Can the page be made better? Absolutely. But there are no valid reasons for deletion presented here.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Also wanted to mention that the procedural reasons in the nom comments do not seem to be completely accurate (and even if they were, nominating a page for deletion because that's what the consensus was more than a full decade ago is strange to say the least).

This seems to be the sequence of events:

1. Ten years ago, this page was nominated for deletion and closed as delete. The day after, the page was made as a redirect. I get that one could say that's technically not what the consensus asked for, but there did not seem to be any prejudice against the redirect existing. At first, Progressive conservatism was a redirect to Progressive Conservative Party. At some point, it became a redirect to Compassionate conservatism.
2. 2 years later, this redirect was discussed, a discussion where a possible outcome was deleting the redirect. Instead, the redirect was changed to Progressive Conservative, a disambiguation page.
3. 2 more years later (2018), an editor again began the process of fleshing it back out into an article, something they very much had the right to do and was not in any way defying the years-old consensuses from the 2014 AfD and 2016 RfD.

Consensus does not last forever, nor does prejudice against recreation. Usually, 6 months is the amount of time editors are expected to wait before either renominating a kept page or recreating a deleted page. There's no official amount of time, but half a year seems to be the norm. This page was recreated 4 years after the deletion discussion, and has existed for the last six. The article has undergone sporadic development ever since then. Bringing it back to AfD in 2024 on the basis that the result of the 2014 AfD wasn't properly upheld is bizarre. There's no procedural need to have this discussion again, and without any WP:Reasons for deletion, it feels a little silly.

 Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perfectly aware that consensus doesn't last forever. However we had an article that was not deleted when it should have been. I felt sounding out the current consensus via an AfD would make sure we knew whether it should exist. Simonm223 (talk) 12:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep because the article is well sourced, well written, and covers a topic which is present across multiple countries and time periods, and which is, as far as I know, not covered by sections of any other articles. Rares Kosa (talk) 19:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not familiar with the details of how to delete articles, but the bottom line issue about this article is the following: is there a a single subject of "Progressive conservatism" that this article is talking about or is this article showing multiple subjects put together on the assumption that there is a single subject called "Progressive conservatism"?

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:12, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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G. Sundarrajan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No indication of the subject meeting WP:GNG. I am unable to find sufficient coverage from independent sources. JTtheOG (talk) 22:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Topic does not adhere WP:GNG and it lacks WP:SIGCOV in multiple reliable resources. B-Factor (talk) 13:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Roma Sztárparádé (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NALBUM. Could not find any other sources other than routine coverage/listings for the recording. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 22:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ana Candiotto (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Disputed PROD. Fails notability criteria. Shrug02 (talk) 20:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep – I see WP:SIGCOV in the sources already presented (Globoesporte, Gazeta Esportiva, O Tempo), the player herself is not very famous but meets the criteria for the article. A quick Google search also turns up a lot of content. Svartner (talk) 21:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  There is coverage of both her singles and doubles career on several major Brazilian sports portals: [20] [21] [22] Svartner (talk) 22:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per Svartner. Article needs a lot of work on subjective language. There have been several PRODS and AI generated tags put on its creator's other articles this week.Canary757 (talk) 08:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    I accept coverage has now been found but I stand by the point that she is non-notable and the article itself is like a fan page full of Peacocking and puff and very little by way of actual facts. Shrug02 (talk) 10:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Comment I've made a tentative start to address the peacock tag Shrug02, will do a thorough one later.Canary757 (talk) 13:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Oxford BioLabs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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It seems like this article was entirely created for promotional reasons. The only thing notable about the company is their product, TRX2. An article for the founder Thomas Whitfield also exists, which seems to be full of promotional content as well. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 20:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 19:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge all three articles to one, probably to TRX2. There's just about enough for one article here but certainly not for three. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 22:44, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kota Minami (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG, 10 games in J2 League and lack of secondary, significant and independent sources. The Japanese Wikipedia has one article about being a school coach, which isn't enough for SPORTCRIT in my opinion. Creator is blocked indefinitely. Geschichte (talk) 20:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 15:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 17:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Medvedev (ice hockey) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Unscourced BLP for a player who never played in a major league and does not meet guidelines at WP:SPORTBASIC. Kimikel (talk) 20:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. I couldn't find any sourcing on him aside from prospect sites. Conyo14 (talk) 21:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Possible keep. His Eurohockey profile indicates he played 25 years professionally. Surely there are sources in foreign languages? For example: Polish Wikipedia, Russian Wikipedia, Ukrainian Wikipedia Searching in Russian for hockey-related articles is a bit difficult due to the businessman Alexander Medvedev's involvement in hockey. Alexander Medvedev (ice hockey) also coached the U18 national team for Iceland. Did anyone search in a foreign language? It's rather frustrating that nobody has mentioned what was searched. Providing more details is helpful for working together. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 14:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I tried searching in English articles as well as Icelandic. I did a basic search on the Belarusian Telegraph Agency and it yielded nothing. Plus the other wikis don't have sources that attribute to a WP:BLP article anyways. Conyo14 (talk) 19:44, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Genealogy and Heraldry Bill 2006 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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A private member’s bill which was not enacted. The references cited are to Seanad debates, which don’t indicate notability beyond the many PMBs each year, and one from an organisation which was responsible for drafting the bill. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 20:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom. Or, failing that, merge/redirect to Genealogical_Office#Questions_over_legal_status_of_the_office. As an alternative to outright deletion. (As noted in nomination, there is nothing to indicate that this failed bill has any lasting notability. That it was created by a contributor with a username indicating a vested interest does very little to help. Text on this (non)event can easily be covered within the article which covers the office involved. Whether/not a redirect is retained won't really impact the "discoverability" of that text.) Guliolopez (talk) 11:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Little Blue Crunchy Things (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This article does not indicate how the band are notable per WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. It looks like they had some popularity around Milwaukee but I can't find significant discussion of them in other reliable sources. Google search brings up results in the usual social media sources and music databases but nothing that indicates they meet Wikipedia's criteria. ... discospinster _talk 20:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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James McEvoy (teacher) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Not clear why this biography was created. Career as a teacher does not appear to be notable enough for Wikipedia per WP:BIO Seaweed (talk) 20:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Not notable at all. Probably created by a relative as a WP:MEMORIAL. Article is just a close paraphrasing of his obituary (which was likely based on what his relatives said about him). Helpful Raccoon (talk) 21:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete: Nothing for notability as a military person or an educator. The paraphrasing of the obituary isn't helping. I can't find anything else about this person. Oaktree b (talk) 01:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fails WP:GNG, created by SPA. Mztourist (talk) 03:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete We have nothing to work off of here... Snowycats (talk) 04:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Could be WP:CSD#G7: article provides no indication of what he did that might have had any significance. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: per nom. Fails WP:GNG. Garuda ^Talk! 17:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Isaac Anderson (model) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Refunded after soft deletion. All the sourcing on this fashion model is over-the-top promotional material, nearly all un-bylined, in sources of questionable independence and reliability (examples: Isaac Anderson 3000 is the modern Renaissance man, blending intellect, sustainability, and fashion into a tapestry that feels revolutionary yet timeless and Isaac Anderson is celebrated not only as a fashion icon but also as a trailblazer who has redefined the fashion landscape.) In my WP:BEFORE search, I couldn't find any WP:SIGCOV in independent, secondary, reliable sources and so I don't see a pass of WP:GNG (much less WP:NMODEL). Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  Keep — @Dclemens1971.This sounds like a target to me though I might be wrong . I was doing some checks and I realized you’re the same editor that did that first nomination. The reason for both nominations are the same. For the first nomination I completely agree as the reasons as at that time was valid but I have a problem with this one. “All sources are over-the top promotional” this is not true if you check all the sources. One source was even talking about a scam call, how’s a scam call promotional for a model? Secondly you said nearly all unbylined. This is also not true. I can see only one source unbyline(the first source). For the promotional words you wrote , yes true it sounds promotional but even that that’s the conclusion of the article and the promotional is not throughout every article as you stated. You also said the sources’ independence is questionable. In a discussion by experienced editors about countries which are affected by system bias , some these sources were discussed. This is the link , https://en.m.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Facebook&lang=en&q=Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Source_guide_discussions/Ghana & https://en.m.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Facebook&lang=en&q=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Nigeria/Nigerian_sources . The subject has been featured in a notable show(CBS morning show). I think it should be included in the English Encyclopedia. Maconzy3 (talk) 17:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I was referring to the content in my BEFORE search, most of which was unbylined. But multiple sources in the article are indeed unbylined. Here's my source analysis:

  • Vanguard. No byline. Highly promotional.
  • Modern Ghana. Bylined but also highly promotional. This reads like marketing, not an independent, reliable news outlet. The author appears to have written only this article for Modern Ghana, so is likely not to be a reporter or a legitimate journalist.
  • PeaceFM. No byline. Promotional. Appears to be based entirely on quotes from Anderson.
  • Pulse. Bylined, but very promotional, by an "journalist" whose entire oeuvre appears to consist of spam.
  • CBS News. This is an article about Anderson's brother with a three-sentence WP:TRIVIALMENTION of Isaac Anderson.
  • GhanaCelebrities.com. An unreliable celebrity gossip blog.
  • Graphic.com.gh. Another puff piece.

  Perhaps this is the discussion you meant to link? Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Nigerian_newspapers. It makes clear that the Nigerian sources list of the WikiProject is questionable. Either way, all we have on Anderson are puff pieces, unbylined or by writers with sketchy credentials, or articles that mention him trivially. No independent and reliable SIGCOV. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  About bylined and unbylined. You can only say multiple if it’s two or more. Only one which is vanguard Nigeria is Unbylined. For PeaceFM it’s at the buttom. It shows it’s from Isaac Anderson/Peacefm. So definitely an interview reporting but it is not promotional. The vanguard news has a promotional tone for that I agree. You said modernghana.com has a questionable independence, I’d advice you do research on things you’re not familiar with. Modernghana is one of the biggest news sites in Ghana although their reliability in this discussion (https://en.m.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Facebook&lang=en&q=Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Source_guide_discussions/Ghana ) is unclear. Even that I agree that it has a promotional tone but not marketing but I think educating you previously was important. The CBS news was only used to verify the subject’s education as it was mentioned. The Graphic newspaper is state owned newpaper that is considered generally reliable according to this (https://en.m.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Facebook&lang=en&q=Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Source_guide_discussions/Ghana ) . You also shared a link to a discussion. The discussion was about Nigerian sources not Ghanaian. The only Nigerian source here is Vanguard. I agree with you on few things but your generalization and exaggeration is making it hard for me to agree completely. I think some sources should be removed but I still stand that on my point that the article should be kept. Maconzy3 (talk) 05:39, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I read the PeaceFM attribution of "Source" to Anderson to be the photos of Anderson, but if you're saying that Isaac Anderson wrote that piece, it's even less eligible to demonstrate notability since it's not remotely independent. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:51, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Per nominator's reason and source analysis. Ibjaja055 (talk) 08:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of Pamilya Sagrado episodes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This is a contested draftification and AfC rejection. This list provides nothing that isn't already at Pamilya Sagrado. An article consisting entirely of a list of episodes is a policy violation — Wikipedia is not a catalog. I would recommend redirecting to Pamilya Sagrado. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 20:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Pamilya Sagrado Per MOS:TVEPISODELIST, this article needs secondary sources. Since there wasn't any of those, it fails to meet WP:GNG. Agreed with the recommendation. JRGuevarra (talk) 22:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Pamilya Sagrado per above. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment MOS:TVSPLIT might be applicable to this Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 12:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lars B. Andersen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable businessman fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO. Sources are:

• WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS of him in the context of his company ([23], [24], [25], [26])
• WP:PRIMARYSOURCES ([27], [28], [29], [30])
• More trivial mentions in the context of a GWR attempt that has since been superseded or his election activities.

Nothing else qualifying came up in a WP:BEFORE search, and the civic appointments are not so rare that they constitute awards per WP:ANYBIO #1. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  Keep - This person meets the notability criteria with significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. That he was selected by the now UK prime minister (who must have visited many companies that day) is significant and adds to notability. Teacher2019 (talk) 13:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - non-notable businessman. No WP:SIGCOV, trivial mentions in media; 'civic appointments' aren't notable (anyone working in the City can become a "Freeman of the City"). Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 00:26, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article had some broken links, and they are now fixed. WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS: articles from government sites and major label magazine with picture of him seems not to be trivial. Found and added mentions from Portuguese [[31]] and US main newsmedia sources [[32]][[33]] with interviews (see article). Multiple articles discuss him at length as the subject of the article, so article fulfils WP:GNG and WP:NBASIC: significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. Zralba (talk) 00:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The government sites are discussions of his company that trivially mention him. The Labels and Labelling magazines source is a WP:TRADES publication that is considered non-independent. The Q&A WP:INTERVIEWS you linked are WP:PRIMARYSOURCES since they consist entirely of his answers; they are not independent sources and do not count toward notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Divine Lust (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I find no evidence that this musical ever came to fruition, let alone that it ran on Broadway. Zero coverage in reliable sources. Fails WP:GNG. --Kinu ^t/_c 19:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. It was supposed to premiere at the Stella Adler Theater in Los Angeles, a 99-seat house. There is little indication that it did, and the theater's website "history" page has a 2010 paragraph that lists productions but does NOT list "Divine Lust". But even if it did run there or anywhere, it got exactly no press coverage or critical attention of any kind. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reo Nakamura (footballer, born 1990) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Per AfD on the same individual. CNC (talk) 19:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per the other AfD. Nothing much found other than trivial mentions in match reports and database sources. Since both AfDs are regarding the same person, if one is deemed non-notable, then so must the other. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:ATHLETE, same as other AfD. Snowycats (talk) 04:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(33128) 1998 BU48 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Does not seem to meet WP:NASTCRIT. Cremastra (u — c) 19:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep it has been part of small scale studies and has had its spectrum analysed [34][35] and also there is an occultation prediction [36]. --C messier (talk) 21:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: there's enough mention in studies to indicate at least marginal notability. It has a large magnitude range and a slow rotation period, which suggests it is a contact binary with high probability.[37] Praemonitus (talk) 06:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

CELFULL (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Promotional article for a supplement producer that fails WP:NCORP. The coverage is all actual or regurgitated press releases or other non-independent work (such as a journal article that Celfull paid for in part). No independent coverage here that isn't WP:ORGTRIV. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Neem Ka Thana district (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Requesting for deletion because the Government of Rajasthan abolished this district. TheSlumPanda (talk) 18:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment I don't think that deletion would be the best option - somebody searching for this would probably want an article covering the same area now, and maybe an explanation of why it doesn't exist any more. Perhaps merge into List of districts of Rajasthan? Adam Sampson (talk) 19:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  There is already an article for this area thats why i am requesting it for deletion see here TheSlumPanda (talk) 19:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy keep per WP:DEFUNCTS we keep former administrative units and notable per WP:GEOLAND. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment - But i want to share some information here that these are only announced to become a new district in future by the Ashok Gehlot government last year and now they are abolished by new government.TheSlumPanda (talk) 20:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Abolition or is no longer administered is not a valid rationale for deletion here.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 20:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep It's notable enough for a topic even though it's been abolished, though right now the state of the article is just marginally better than redirecting it somewhere. That's not an argument for redirecting, but it is an argument for improving it... SportingFlyer T·C 02:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Kepp : as there are several pages of former districts still exist on Wikipedia

Example : South Arcot District (Madras Presidency)

WikiEdits2003 (talk) 02:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The pages may be redirected to the existing one i.e. Sikar district WikiEdits2003 (talk) 02:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Naved Masood (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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It is hard to find substantial coverage that could meet WP:GNG. The sources listed in the article do not provide WP:SIGCOV. Bakhtar40 (talk) 18:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Doesn't seem to fit notability criteria for bureaucrats or notability in general.

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Alexandre Réis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non notable businessman. Most of the sources in this article are about a Brazilian musician called Alee, born in Bahia, not about the Angolan businessman Alexandre Réis, who this article says was born in Luanda. The only article that talks about Reis is this one [38], which seems too promotional. It also looks like the creator of this article has been checkuser blocked on ptwiki. Badbluebus (talk) 18:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment article creator (and four other sock accounts that have edited it) have been indefinitely blocked: see WP:Sockpuppet investigations/3ydepartment. The AFD has to continue though, as it's ineligible for db-banned, and probably ineligible for db-spam. Wikishovel (talk) 19:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Delete: per nom + COI + Fake referencing FuzzyMagma (talk) 05:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lukáš Hurt (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Biography of a trade journalist and cannabis activist fails WP:GNG/WP:NBIO for lack of WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources. The sources in the article (and found in WP:BEFORE) are either WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS, non-independent, or database sources. He also fails to qualify under any criterion of WP:NCHESS. (Translated from cz-wiki and no comment on notability standards there, but this falls short for en-wiki.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment – Can you find any trade journalist and activist that actually meets WP:GNG? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lebanese Aramaic (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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"Lebanese Aramaic" is an unattested variety and the term is not used in the literature — the article fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:NOR. It relies almost entirely on an article by a Maronite cultural association (and even it does not use the term "Lebanese Aramaic"), which is not a valid scholarly source (WP:SOURCE) and contains fringe views that are very far outside of the linguistic consensus such as that that "West" Syriac is an "Aramaized" descendent of Caananite. None of the other sources used in the article mention "Lebanese Aramaic", but rather Aramaic or Syriac — the "history" of the alleged variety is collated (violating WP:SYNTH) from discussions of Aramaic and Syriac in general, not from "Lebanese Aramaic" specifically. Most of the linguistic content of the article does not discuss "Lebanese Aramaic" (as this variety is unattested and thus undescribed), but rather Syriac or even Lebanese Arabic. In the previous discussion from December 2023 on whether the article should be deleted, two users came out in favour of keeping it, leading to a "no consensus" result and the article being kept. However, at no point did either of the two users touch on any of the of the arguments against keeping the article (i.e. in actually referencing editorial policy), with one user even making the false claim that Lebanese Arabic is primarily descended from Aramaic ("the current spoken Lebanese is a continuation of Surien"). No valid sources have been added since the discussion in December 2023. saɪm duʃan Talk|Contribs 17:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep concerns from the nominator not withstanding, it seems that if there is an issue here, the best route is going to try and clean it up first before deletion. Perhaps there are other references out there. There seem to be many in this article, and this definitely does not appear to be original research. I find it hard to believe that a language that existed for hundreds of years cannot pass GNG standards. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 18:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  As said, the article does have references, but they crucially do not discuss "Lebanese Aramaic" at all, as this is not a term used in the literature, meaning their use violates NOR. Western Aramaic and Syriac are both attested languages — "Lebanese Aramaic" is not. saɪm duʃan Talk|Contribs 18:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • If that's true, then it shouldn't hurt to wait just to be safe to ensure there isn't something else out there mentioning Lebanese Aramaic. Happy to change my opinion if no one comes forward with new information. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 23:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Charlotte McKane (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Everything is about a project she did in high school 🄻🄰 17:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete the awards received are pretty routine for state and city offices to award. Not a notable subject. Marleeashton (talk) 18:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kioumars Pourhashemi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Doesn't seem to be that important. All references are in passing or about his death, probably can be mentioned as a section in 2024 Battle of Aleppo Ladsgroup^overleg 17:37, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I made this article because I believe he was an important figure in a very important event that led to the downfall of Syria. History is important. Yesyesmrcool (talk) 17:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Can be considered as a soldier killed in action. He is merely a member of the IRGC forces involved in the 2024 Battle of Aleppo, but not a key member. Jeeputer ^Talk 17:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Buccaneers–Eagles rivalry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable rivalry of two teams that have only played each other 24 times since 1977. Frankly I've never heard of this even being called a rivalry between these two teams. Draftification was objected to, and seems to be largely based on one article writer's opinion. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Fails GNG in terms of establishing a rivalry exists. The article clings to a CBS blog that lists this series among the top rivalries of the 2000s. While CBS is certainly a top authority on NFL coverage, this particular blog has only a couple paragraphs of content on this series and does little to describe the teams as “rivals” outside of the title. Even if this was significant coverage of the teams as rivals, which it is not, GNG would still not be met as it requires multiple sources. Frank Anchor 17:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Adding that I oppose a merge/redirect to List of NFL rivalries. If this series fails GNG as a rivalry, then it shouldn’t be included on the list of rivalries either. Frank Anchor 03:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Delete mainly because that CBS article is not very indicative of significant coverage, but this [40] provides a bit more to their early 2000s playoff matches, though I haven't seen any other sources as in-depth as this one. Conyo14 (talk) 18:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Basically every team is a rival with every other team. If all the article can do is outline a history of meet-ups and doesn't describe how the teams and fans actually view the rivalry to give it some substance, there is no reason for an article. Reywas92^Talk 20:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Just a random pairing of two NFL teams with no memorable games that I can recall (nor listed in the article) to spark a rivalry. There seem to be some other, equally questionable "rivalries" in the List of NFL rivalries, e.g. Colts–Jaguars rivalry. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @Clarityfiend: There are certainly some questionable rivalry articles. With that said, you'd be unlikely to see a rivalry article between two division opponents deleted. I would however support the nominations of a number of other rivalry articles that aren't about division opponents. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• There does actually seem to be some coverage of this, e.g. 'A lot of history' between Bucs and Eagles ("Not too long ago, the Eagles-Buccaneers rivalry was one of the fiercest non-divisional matchups in the NFL"), Tampa Bay looks back to when the rivalry was real, Bucs, Eagles know each other well: Rivalry forms as they've met six times since 1999, Eagles, Buccaneers renew rivalry at new stadium, Tampa Vs. Philadelphia Rivalry Has A Deep History. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I think my issue is that this is largely predicated on meeting in the playoffs for 3 straight years. That doesn't create a long term rivalry in my opinion, more of a flash in the pan of a rivalry instead. My perspective is that rivalry articles should be more long standing, instead of relying on what amounts primarily to a 3-season stretch that most people have forgotten about. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:25, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @BeanieFan11 - Here's some more 1, 2, 3, 4. KatoKungLee (talk) 22:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Looking at these sources, source 1 appears to be from a SI fan site, #2 is from one of the teams (so not independent), #3 uses language like "used to be a rivalry" (so not anymore), and "will become a rivalry again" (so not right now), #4 is fine but quite local and #5 is similar but places even less of an emphasis of this being a real rivalry. I think a select merge regarding this rivalry at List of NFL rivalries#Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Philadelphia Eagles using some of the sources from Beanie and moving it to the historical rivalries of that article is the best outcome as the WP:NRIVALRY isn't met here as a standalone article with a lack of sustained coverage from non-local outlets. Let'srun (talk) 22:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Joshua Hagen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Cannot find independent WP:SIGCOV for this Canadian judoka to pass WP:NSPORT; all sources appear to be trivial mentions or non-independent bios/interviews. Being a CBC commentator on the Olympics does not on its own generate notability. If there are sources I missed in my WP:BEFORE please ping me. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there. The article's sources demonstrate that Hagen is both a provincial and territorial-level director and coach (currently for the province of Saskatchewan, previously for the Northwest Territories), and an official commentator for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation during the past two Olympic Games. Canada is a federal country and Hagen's roles in Saskatchewan and the NWTs are as the chief administrator of those federal units on behalf of Judo Canada, the national regulator. Accordingly, while Hagen's own sporting career does not make him notable, I think that he meets the administrative / coaching notability requirements for sport (director and head coach of two provincial or territorial programs), and he also has a public profile as the national broadcaster's (only) official judo commentator for the Olympics. CanadianJudoka (talk) 18:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Has a public profile as a commentator is not a criterion for notability, and there is no SNG under NSPORT either for for martial arts coaches or for provincial-level team coaches, so he will need to pass WP:GNG, which requires significant coverage in multiple independent, reliable, secondary sources. That's what's missing. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete My search found no evidence of him competing at a world or continental judo championship. I also didn't find significant independent coverage of him that would meet WP:GNG. Statements of him being an Olympic commentator, interviews, and coverage of events under his supervision do not show WP notability. Papaursa (talk) 15:50, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Minerva Project (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The notability seems redundant with Minerva University. 🄻🄰 15:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Doom Patrol enemies (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This is a mostly unsourced spin off from the Doom Patrol article. Wikipedia implores us to not immediately split articles if the new article would meet neither the general notability criteria nor the specific notability criteria for their topic. There is nothing here to preserve that isn't covered at the main article (not to mention other villain group articles like Brotherhood of Evil or Brotherhood of Dada). The target article is also missing sources but at least provides a valid redirect target. Jontesta (talk) 18:12, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge with the enemies section of Doom Patrol in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE. --Rtkat3 (talk) 23:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Redirect/Merge with Doom Patrol, per WP:PRESERVE. There is a WP:SIGCOV issue, but there is a valid WP:ATD here. Shooterwalker (talk) 18:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Charlton Media Group (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This company is not notable and it lacks enough credible sources to justify its own page. Eric Schucht (talk) 15:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Genocide in the Hebrew Bible (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Per prior discussion(s) on article talk (which have stalled out for several weeks), this article is essentially a largely OVERLAP’d POVFORK with serious neutrality issues. The discussion of this topic is already extensively covered and properly sourced in articles such as War in the Hebrew Bible, The Bible and violence, and Judaism and violence; as is the modern day relevance of particular passages in Amalek. The contents of these discussions are neither so long that they warrant SIZESPLIT, nor are they so notable as to require a page outside their discussions on the relevant pages. Sinclairian (talk) 15:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• In case it wasn’t obvious, my vote lies on delete/merge. Sinclairian (talk) 18:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. All of this is covered on other articles. ButlerBlog (talk) 17:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Procedural keep. I don't see an argument for deletion here. I see no evidence that the article is so rife with neutrality that WP:TNT is appropriate. Nobody has disputed notability, only where this material should be covered - which is not a matter for AfD, particularly when multiple plausible merge targets exist. AfD cannot replace normal talk page discussion. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Procedural keep. Vanamonde93 sums the situation up perfectly. Per WP:DEL-CONTENT: Disputes over page content are usually not dealt with by deleting the page, except in severe cases. The content issues should be discussed at the relevant talk page, and other methods of dispute resolution should be used first, such as listing on Wikipedia:Requests for comments for further input (my emph., and again per V93, the neutrality concerns are insufficiently egregious (by spades) to qualify for the level of severity required to warrant deletion, especially when alternatives are available). Talk page discussion and possible merge/redirects do not take place at AfD. SerialNumber54129^{A New Face in Hell} 18:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or merge to the Bible and violence. I question whether this page scope is fundamentally a SYNTHetic premise. The word "genocide" isn't mentioned in anything as old as the bible, as that word dates to 1944. It's true that we could still have an article about a modern concept of this. But, should we, or would this be handled better elsewhere? I don't see enough detail or sources in depth about this specific topic to handle as a separate article, personally, so I'm ending up here. Andre🚐 19:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  It's not WP:SYNTH if other people have already applied the modern concept of genocide to the stories told in the Hebrew Bible. That by itself doesn't mean that an article with this title is the best place to talk about the subject, of course, but the idea isn't original. XOR'easter (talk) 19:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  There are plenty of sources, totaling hundreds of pages, that were cited in the original version of the article and have more than enough content to support an extensive article. (t · c) buidhe 03:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Procedural keep per vanamonde. (t · c) buidhe 03:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural keep per vanamonde Codonified (talk) 02:34, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. This is almost certainly better covered as a section of War in the Hebrew Bible, but that's a content issue that doesn't really belong at AfD. None of the potential issues require deletion. Eluchil404 (talk) 03:50, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The American Business Journal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Topic is not notable. No major news sources have ever referenced this website and all cited sources are press releases. Wiki article feels like self-promotion. Eric Schucht (talk) 15:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. No independent sourcing; appears to be WP:PROMO and fails WP:NCORP, WP:GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete: Agree with Dclemens1971 Asteramellus (talk) 23:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Wandering Inn (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The only usable source is its inclusion in a listicle. While that's not nothing, none of the other sources here help notability (unreliable), and I couldn't find much else. I found a single sentence mention in Variety but that is not sigcov. PARAKANYAA (talk) 15:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete – I tried searching for sources myself. It's somewhat sad this doesn't seem to have much outside recognition because millions of words in a single series is a crazy impressive accomplishment. It's possible the Variety sentence might be used to maybe include a mention of this somewhere onwiki? But I can't think of any specific merge targets or what you could really merge when pretty much all the sources are unreliable. If there is a good target, a redirect might make more sense. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy Skinner (American football) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Does not pass WP:GNG. The sources listed in the article do not provide WP:SIGCOV. I did find another source from the Chillicothe Gazette not listed in the article. However, even with that inclusion, I do not believe it would pass. It possibly has WP:OR, as well. Grahaml35 (talk) 14:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment there are several WP:SIGCOV about him in the Chillicothe Gazette, [41][42][43][44](P1/P2). He would however need SIGCOV from at least one other publication to pass WP:GNG. He was the starting QB for Marshall so there might be some coverage in a publication that covers the school if someone knows where to look. Alvaldi (talk) 21:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  That would be the Herald-Dispatch, presumably, which will certainly have print coverage of Skinner from 2005 and 2006, but the earliest mentions online seem to be from 2008. I didn't remember Skinner, but since we know that his career was covered by the Herald-Dispatch (and likely other news sources no longer available over the internet), then he seems to pass the general notability guideline. I note that the question is whether the sources exist, not whether they are available over the internet, or cited in the article. And anyone who started as quarterback in any Marshall games will be discussed, not merely mentioned, in the Herald-Dispatch. So this would be a keep. P Aculeius (talk) 17:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep As P Aculeius pointed out, the Herald-Dispatch isn't on newspapers.com. However, I was able to find the paper's archives and it looks like Skinner has plenty of coverage. So this passes GNG when combined with Alvaldi's sources above. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Nepal earthquakes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:NEVENT. A google search also doesn't bring up any especially deep coverage. Creator submitted a draft to AFC which I declined on the same basis. Article already says no major damage or casualties were reported. A large portion of the article also fails to discuss the main subject rather, an overview of Himalaya tectonics. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 14:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article provides valuable information about the event, highlighting its importance of Himalayan tectonics and seismic activity. While there were no major casualties or damages, the event holds importance in understanding the region's geological behavior. The article goes beyond just reporting the event; it connects it to scientific studies and ongoing discussions about seismic risks in the Himalayas. Such information is crucial for researchers, students, and anyone interested in the region’s geology, making the article a useful and relevant resource for Wikipedia readers. NAUser0001 (talk) 14:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@NAUser0001 then why don't you work on Geology of the Himalayas. Because the earthquake doesn't seem to be the main subject. Wikipedia is not the place to have entries for such minor events Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 16:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide a response that isn't obviously made by AI. Thanks. Cutlass^Ciera 18:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete – Fails WP:EVENT. Dawnseeker2000 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete per nom, The earthquake is only 5.3 plus no major damage and casualities Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 12:26, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pedro Neves (poker player) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I agree with the previous AFD: Non-notable player, no WP:SIGCOV. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. No WP:SIGCOV, no coverage outside niche press. The article appears to be more about the tournament than the article subject. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to 2024 World Series of Poker. Notable only in connection with WP:ONEEVENT. ~ A412 ^talk! 16:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per above. Redirects are cheap. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sadiq Kirmani (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable cricketer; Played only two LA matches across his whole career (no FC or international matches played), and none in this list of domestic tournaments maintained by WikiProject Cricket. AmateurHi$torian (talk) 13:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Non-notable plus both references are to do with his father and notability is not inherited.

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Star Wars Republic Commando (series) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG. No significant coverage for this series or "multimedia project". Even if you see this as a list, it seems to fail WP:NLIST. Only thing I found were articles about a Battlefront 2 update adding a Republic Commando character to the multiplayer mode: [45], [46]. They don't imply that Battlefront 2 is part of the Republic Commando series. Suggesting merge/redirect to Star Wars: Republic Commando#Sequels. Mika1h (talk) 12:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Star Wars: Republic Commando#Sequels per nom. ~ A412 ^talk! 18:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Erich Volschenk (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Normally published, commercially employed (non-academia) zoologist with a number of described taxa. There is nothing here that says encyclopedic notability - no WP:GNG coverage, no honours or prestigious positions, no recognized exceptional contributions to the field. A productive arachnologist but not encyclopia material. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comparison of portable media players (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Previously PROD'd with this rationale: Out of date article, tagged as such for over 14 years, not revised substantially in years, and full of information with no verifiable importance or correctness. WP:NOTGUIDE suggests that Wikipedia is not a guide for consumer product information. Restored to draft on request, then moved to main article space with no changes. I concur with the PROD rationale that this article is not within the bounds of Wikipedia. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:15, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: This is almost two decades out of date; if no one is looking after the list despite the maintenance tags, delete this and be done with it. Oaktree b (talk) 01:26, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: I’m a little dubious of the PROD rationale, because I’m not totally convinced that WP: NOTGUIDE applies here. The article doesn’t describe, for example, how to use a portable media player (which would violate WP: NOTGUIDE). That being said, this is a massive mess of information that seems to overwhelmingly come from primary sources. My concern is that this violates WP: INDISCRIMINATE and cleaning it up would amount to rewriting the article from scratch. At best, we should WP: STARTOVER; at worst, this violates WP: INDISCRIMINATE and should be deleted. HyperAccelerated (talk) 09:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Per nom. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 19:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. There is no plausible way this could be a useful article with the proliferation of portable music players. Brandon (talk)
• Delete, as the person who proposed deletion a few weeks ago. This giant, table-filled article is badly out of date and light on citations. No amount of editing would make this into a suitable Wikipedia article. White 720 (talk) 15:29, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vorontsov (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Follow-up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khilkov (recently unanimously deleted). Relies on WP:ONESOURCE, russianartdealer.com, which is a WP:SPS; WP:OR; fails WP:GNG. Rule of thumb: if a Russian noble family claims descent from Rurik (or in this case "a Varangian nobleman named Šimon") without a source, that's a red flag. (No objection to keeping Category:Vorontsov family for now; this "article" just adds nothing of value). NLeeuw (talk) 11:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. There are articles about the family in Britannica (1911), Brockhaus & Efron and Nordisk familjebok and that seems enough to pass GNG, although I am somewhat concerned about the fact that all the above articles have a very short introduction about the family in general, and then continue with individual biographies. In any case, they also contain some references, which could be used to expand the article. For example: The family has published very extensive archives: [47] and there seems to be a book about the family: Ogarkov (1892) Vorontsovy. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 13:37, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Verifiably notable noble family in encyclopedias, eg  "Воронцовы" . Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary (in Russian). 1906.. Wiipedians simply don't care. --Altenmann >talk 18:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. The article in Russian Wikipedia has a ton of references, if one is interested in improving. As anyone even slightly interested in Russian history knows, this family was the "crème de la crème" of the Russian aristocracy from the reign of Empress Elizabeth until the end of the empire. Ghirla^-трёп- 16:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • By the way, its origins are actually obscure (as was shown in a well-known Paris litigation between Prince P. V. Dolgorukov and Prince Vorontsov). It was the Velyaminov family that claimed (for many centuries) descent from Shimon the Varangian; whether the Vorontsov family is in fact a branch of the Velyaminov family (as they claimed) is a moot question. --Ghirla^-трёп- 16:51, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Portuguese Newfoundland (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Nonsense article building a mountain out of conjecture. There is no evidence f Portuguese Newfoundland actually being a thing, let alone one warranting an entire article. See the similarly WP:PROFRINGE Luso–Danish expedition to North America AFD for similar discussions, but the editor creating these articles needs to stop adding fringe theories to Wikipedia in a way that looks like historical fact. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 11:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  The article is based on well-regarded sources, including Bailey Diffie’s Foundations of the Portuguese Empire, 1415–1580 and the Dictionary of Canadian Biography entry on Gaspar Corte-Real. Both sources explicitly discuss Portuguese claims and potential activity in Newfoundland during the early 16th century. These are not fringe sources but are widely recognized by scholars in the field of Portuguese maritime history.

  It is stated in the book that Portugal had claims over the region, and brought goods and slaves from it. Jaozinhoanaozinho (talk) 11:37, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  You're conflating "Portuguese claims" and "potential Portuguese activity" both here and in the article, which is why there's a WP:PROFRINGE issue at play. I don't think anyone is denying Portuguese interest or claims. Just because there are potential actvities doesn't mean we can assume there are for the purposes of an article. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 11:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry I didn’t make myself clear, in Bailey Diffie’s book it’s clearly mentioned that King Manuel granted formal licenses to explorers like João Fernandes Lavrador and Gaspar Corte-Real to discover and claim land with the promise of rewards. It’s also well mentioned that Portugal had colonial activity, which I’ve mentioned before. Jaozinhoanaozinho (talk) 12:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  You cannot extrapolate that into a whole article about Portuguese Newfoundland when the academic consensus isn't there. One source that runs counter to scholarship isn't enough to warrant an entire article about a topic. This is essentially a fork of other articles you've written citing pre-columbian contact fringe sources. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 12:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete There's very little evidence this was ever actually a thing. Fails, WP:GNG Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete lack of reliable sources. A settlement on Cape Breton, yes. Not Newfoundland.Doug Weller talk 14:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete For lack of reliable sources and WP:PROFRINGE POV issues. Simonm223 (talk) 16:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, at the best, a WP:CFORK of Gaspar Corte-Real. CMD (talk) 08:31, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Van der Bellen family (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Follow-up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khilkov (recently unanimously deleted). WP:UNSOURCED WP:OR, fails WP:GNG. Rule of thumb: if a Russian noble family claims descent from Rurik without a source, that's a red flag. (No objection to keeping Category:Van der Bellen family for now; this "article" just adds nothing of value). NLeeuw (talk) 11:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  Keep The family has seen various coverage in press [48] and books [49] [50] so that its notability passes GNG. Axisstroke (talk) 11:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  These are not enough to pass GNG. The first one is not about the family, but rather about an individual member. The second is about a "Van der Bellen family" in the sense of a nuclear family, not the whole noble family. The last snippet of text is not long enough to understand the context in which "Van der Bellen family" is being used. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 12:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Indeed, these two passing mentions are not WP:SIGCOV. The second is a snippet from Alexander Van der Bellen's family history. But just because he's the current president of Austria doesn't mean his entire family going back centuries is now suddenly notable. Given the fact that presidents in Austria are elected, while noble families establish membership by birth, these two things are still entirely unrelated, or only trivially related. NLeeuw (talk) 13:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Right there are previous several notable members of the family listed in the baltic biographical lexicon. Axisstroke (talk) 21:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shuvalov (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Follow-up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khilkov (recently unanimously deleted). WP:GUNREL (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility#genealogy.eu), WP:OR, fails WP:GNG. Rule of thumb: if a Russian noble family claims descent from Rurik without a source, that's a red flag. (No objection to keeping Category:Shuvalov family for now; this "article" just adds nothing of value). NLeeuw (talk) 11:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Verifiably notable noble family in encyclopedias, eg  "Шуваловы" . Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary (in Russian). 1906.. Wiipedians simply don't care. --Altenmann >talk 18:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. The article in Russian Wikipedia has a ton of references, if one is interested in improving. "If a Russian noble family claims descent from Rurik..." - this family never claimed great antiquity, for what I know, and it was never listed among Rurikids. Nevertheless it was the "crème de la crème" of the Russian aristocracy from the reign of Empress Elizabeth until the end of the empire. Ghirla^-трёп- 17:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I stand corrected. This is one of very few Russian noble families which don't claim descent from Rurik. NLeeuw (talk) 00:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  You need to read up on both Russian history and genealogy to make such odd claims. Ghirla^-трёп- 09:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Romodanovsky family (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Follow-up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khilkov (recently unanimously deleted). WP:UNSOURCED WP:OR, fails WP:GNG. Rule of thumb: if a Russian noble family claims descent from Rurik without a source, that's a red flag. (No objection to keeping Category:Romodanovsky family for now; this "article" just adds nothing of value). NLeeuw (talk) 11:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Verifiably notable noble family in encyclopedias, eg  "Ромодановские" . Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary (in Russian). 1906.. Wiipedians simply don't care. --Altenmann >talk 18:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I don't understand what is questioned in this nomination. The notability of one of the top boyar families? "If a Russian noble family claims descent from Rurik without a source, that's a red flag" - utter tosh. The family has been extinct for 300 years, so it does not claim anything. But every source on Russian genealogy (starting from the Gosudarev Rodoslovets of 1555) confirms that the Romodanovsky family is indeed Rurikid. Ghirla^-трёп- 16:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Obolensky (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Follow-up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khilkov (recently unanimously deleted). WP:UNSOURCED WP:OR, fails WP:GNG. Rule of thumb: if a Russian noble family claims descent from Rurik without a source, that's a red flag. (No objection to keeping Category:Obolensky family for now; this "article" just adds nothing of value). NLeeuw (talk) 11:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Verifiably notable noble family in encyclopedias, eg  "Оболенские, княжеский род" . Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary (in Russian). 1906.. Wiipedians simply don't care. --Altenmann >talk 18:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Noble families, especially princely families are by definition notable, as their members are listed in official genealogies and studied by multitude of genealogists. It is irrelevant if the princes Obolensky were actually descendants of Rurik, Imperial Russia considered them as such, as exemplified by their use of the title prince and their inclusion in the Velvet Book.
  I read Nederlandse Leeuw's rant on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khilkov. It reads like an anti-royalist, French revolutionary attack on nobility in general. Unfortunately the Ancien Régime was non-egalitarian. Social status and thus notability followed family lines. There are corresponding family articles is six other languages. The Russian language article list about 30 family members with Wikipedia articles. The corresponding category has 106 articles and 15 subcategories. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 11:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

House of Lobanov-Rostovsky (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Follow-up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khilkov (recently unanimously deleted). WP:UNSOURCED WP:OR, fails WP:GNG. Rule of thumb: if a Russian noble family claims descent from Rurik without a source, that's a red flag. (No objection to keeping Category:Lobanov-Rostovsky family for now; this "article" just adds nothing of value). NLeeuw (talk) 11:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• delete. Yes, there was this noble family, but it seems there is no in-depth coverage besides genealogy lists. They do have rurikid origin, but I am not sure it counts to claim for notability. --Altenmann >talk 18:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The family is listed in principal families in the European book with clear description of its coat of arms [51] and of course in the Russian Velvet Book by the author Aleksey Lobanov-Rostovsky, a familiy member himself, hence passes GNG. The family has a museum dedicated to them [[52]] and the palace in St. Petersburg underlines the notability. Of course the article needs some cleanup to have proper references.
• Moreover the Yamagata–Lobanov Agreement gives the family name quite some name recognition. Axisstroke (talk) 11:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry, (a) listing does not count for WP:GNG, which requires in-depth coverage. (b) Notability not inherited and Yamagata–Lobanov Agreement is irrelevant for an article about noble family. --Altenmann >talk 21:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  The family is a principal family hence by definition notable as declared both on the Velvet book and other listings. Axisstroke (talk) 20:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry, in Wikipedia we have our own criteria for notability. Nobility listings contain thousands of petty noble families. In Poland 20% of population used to be szlachta. In Russian Empire every petty warlord on a hill in Caucasus Mountains was given a title of knyaz during "appeasement" of the area. And so on. Merely listing is insufficient to establish notability in en-wiki. --Altenmann >talk 04:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hemanta Debbarma (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The article fails WP:GNG and does not meet the criteria outlined in WP:NPOL. Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 11:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Philippine jade culture (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This article looks like a POV-pushing heap of WP:OR (see esp. the UNESCO section). I found zero reliable sources using the term "Philippine jade culture" on Google Scholar, a normal web search, or a Wikipedia Library EBSCO search [53]. Google Books turns up only self-published books by someone called "J.G. Cheock" [54]. Most sources cited in the article are news (Taiwan Times, Taiwan News) or primary (UNESCO), and given the apparent dispute between the two I don't think these can be considered INDEPENDENT. I will work to verify the other offline sources, but what I've got thus far is not promising. Toadspike [Talk] 10:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The article was mostly written by User:Spitmyrno and User:Gibedapse. Based on their contribs, both are SPAs. Toadspike [Talk] 10:47, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

i don't know much about this topic so i won't comment on deletion (although toadspike makes a good case in my opinion) but i've fixed the duplicate citations to help with verification ... sawyer * he/they * talk 20:26, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Scholarly and other sources in the article:

• [55] (ref 1) Is entirely about the history of ironworking in Taiwan. The Philippines is mentioned only in the context of theories by another author that ironworking was imported to Taiwan from there; the author argues that such theories are too simple (and this 2000 paper too may be outdated in 2024). Jade is never mentioned.
• [56] (ref 2), as an example of the news coverage, is an opinion piece in the Taiwan Times (unreliable), which ends on a political note. It mentions a Taiwanese "Changbin culture" and, separately, jade (nephrite) trade.
• I can't access ref 4, Taiwan Jade in the Philippines: 3,000 Years of Trade and Long-distance Interaction, which should be available here (404) or here. Situation for ref 12, A Noninvasive Mineralogical Study of Nephrite Artifacts from the Philippines and Surroundings, is very similar.
• [57] (ref 5) never mentions jade or nephrite. It is cited in a map caption, despite, afaict, not backing up anything the caption says.
• [58] (ref 8) has a lot of info about jade, jade trading, Taiwan, and the Philippines, but doesn't mention any "Philippine jade culture"
• [59] (ref 14) backs up the claims that Taiwanese jade ended up in the Philippines. No mention of a "Philippine jade culture" or "Maritime Jade Road".

That's the bulk of the reliable sources cited. Some of the others, like ref 10 ("Holocene population history in the Pacific region as a model for worldwide food producer dispersals") and ref 9 ("Philippine prehistory", 1975) look irrelevant enough from their titles that I won't bother following up.

As a side note, it looks like "Maritime Jade Road" is another term invented by Gibedapse and inserted into Maritime Silk Road#Precursor prehistoric maritime networks in this 2021 diff. A web search turns up no reliable sources. Google Scholar has several hits, but filtering for sources from before Gibedapse's insertion of this term into Wikipedia (see WP:CITOGENESIS, WP:CIRCULAR for what I'm worried about), there are no results. Filtering for 2022 [60], there are four results, all of which contain strong indications of citogenesis:

• [61] is a review of a new book, "Jade: A Gemologist’s Guide". The reviewer tellingly notes that "The chapter contains a description by Jason K. Chao, in an insert, of the nephrite deposit in Taiwan. He mentions archaeological finds of Taiwanese nephrite in the Philippines and, looking further into this, I came across a mention of a Maritime Jade Road that dates back to 3000 bce. I would have liked to learn more about this ancient jade trading route, but it was not covered further in the following chapters." Unsurprising, given this term was likely invented on Wikipedia
• [62] (accessible through the Wikipedia Library) mentions that "In the Asian realm, Persian populations operated a commercial trade across the Persian Gulf from the Sumerian period. Indian and Taiwanese sailors extended this trade in a network of navigation tracks known as the Maritime Jade Road." The entire chapter contains no inline references, and none of the twelve sources cited have anything to do with South East Asia or Austronesia. They all look like general reference works or works on other areas (England and New England), some of which are severely outdated.
• [63] is simply the same chapter on a different website.
• [64] is some sort of curriculum for a distance learning history course at Himachal Pradesh University. Not a reliable source, especially since the only use of "Maritime Jade Road" is in the context of a map cribbed from Wikipedia, alongside text suspiciously similar to Wikipedia's (page 70).

Folks, this "Maritime Jade Road" thing looks like an open-and-shut case of citogenesis to me. I'm going to go ahead and remove it from that article. Toadspike [Talk] 12:51, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Update: It looks like Gibedapse and the IP 103.152.9.5 added synthesized/OR mentions of this "maritime jade road" all over the encyclopedia in 2021, citing the exact same sources each time – I don't have the time to purge and rewrite this on several of our largest history pages right now. Hopefully I will get around to it soon, help would be appreciated. Toadspike [Talk] 13:04, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Brookmount Gold (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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References are mostly primary or profiles. Not meeting WP:ORG or WP:GNG. - The9Man ^Talk 10:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Fails WP:NORG and poor sourcing. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️^{(🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔)} 12:28, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails WP:GNG, WP:ORG, WP:ORGCRIT, and WP:RS.

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• Delete I had a look to see if there was anything missing in the way of reliable sources that might improve this and found nothing that wasn't very niche. Not sufficient for WP:ORG. Simonm223 (talk)

Albanian Visual Arts Network (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Subject fails GNG and NCORP for not having significant coverage from independent reliable sources and not merely mentioned for verification. Sources on the article are not reliable. Cassiopeia talk 09:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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MaNaDr (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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A previous article was deleted at AFD a year ago. The present article was created a few months ago, covering recent action against the firm by the Singapore Ministry of Health. Searches find this Straits Times item concerning other providers' reactions to that situations (and perhaps Healthcare_in_Singapore#Private_healthcare should be extended to cover telehealth). However WP:CORP indicates that regulatory actions and their coverage are not in themselves indicative of notability of a particular firm, so it seems appropriate to bring this to AFD as it doesn't seem there is enough in-depth coverage to overturn the previous deletion consensus. AllyD (talk) 09:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete : Agree with the nominator. Gauravs 51 (talk)

Clare Siobhan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Does not seem to meet WP:NBIO or WP:GNG, only mention in a to me seemingly reliable publication is a mention of three sentences. Red Bull source seems to be an interview, probably not intellectually independent. AlexandraAVX (talk) 09:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Ale Conners of London (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:LISTN as not having received attention as a group. An individual appointment sometimes gets a mention in a different source (though most of these aren't independent), but that's about it. Fram (talk) 08:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  Thank you for taking the time to look for additional mentions and references on this subject. I look forward to receiving the results of the deletion discussion, and will of course be happy with whatever decision the group comes to. Tippylegend (talk) 11:32, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: as WP:INDISCRIMINATE, there's no encyclopedic information here that isn't on the article for Ale conner. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 09:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kambala Srinivas Rao (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The article fails to meet WP:GNG, WP:BIO or even WP:NPOL due to a lack of reliable, independent sources providing significant coverage. The subject's activities, while notable within his community, lack documented national or regional impact, and the article has a promotional tone. Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 07:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete No evidence of notability (of any flavour), just promotion. A7-speedied, and immediately recreated by likely COI editor. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:15, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Poor sources on the page with no notable coverage on the subject. Per nom fails WP:NPOL. The subject does not seem to warrant a biographical page because of no significant, interesting, or unusual enough coverage to deserve attention or to be recorded as Politician, and activist. RangersRus (talk) 09:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you for the feedback. I would like to address the concerns:

  1.Notability (WP:NPOL):

  Kambala Srinivas Rao is the President of *Vishwa Hindu Dharma Parirakshana* and joined the BJP in December 2024, a move covered by reliable sources such as OneIndia, The Hans India*, and The New Indian Express. His contributions include cultural preservation and strengthening BJP's presence in East Godavari, which demonstrates political significance.

  2. Reliable Sources:

  ["Vishwa Hindu Dharma Parirakshana president Kambala Srinivasa Rao joins BJP"](https://www.oneindia.com/india/vhdp-rama-sena-president-kambala-srinivasa-rao-joins-bjp-party-strengthens-itself-in-the-rajahmundr-4025853.html)

  Rama Sena Leader Kambala Joins BJP"](https://www.thehansindia.com/andhra-pradesh/rama-sena-leader-kambala-joins-bjp-932535)

  ["Kambala Srinivas Rao’s initiatives highlighted in BJP strengthening"](https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/andhra-pradesh/2024/Dec/26/rahul-gandhi-used-to-undermine-india-on-foreign-soil-mp-daggubati-purandeswari)

  3. Significance:

  His community-focused efforts in temple infrastructure and cultural preservation add to his profile as a social activist.

  Given the above, I believe the article meets Wikipedia’s notability criteria (WP:NPOL, WP:GNG). I am open to suggestions for improving the page help out to publish my article without any error Durgaprasadpetla (talk) 11:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Could you please provide a response without AI? In addition, these sources that you've linked are equally poor. Thanks. Cutlass^Ciera 18:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Fails GNG. Cutlass^Ciera 18:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: No evidence of notability, and when you call approving your own AFC submission "removing an unnecessary disambiguator", it doesn't indicate a healthy understanding of policy. Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 20:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lionel Luthor (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I know this article is GA, but everything are cited as primary sources. Did WP:BEFORE, but found zero WP:SIGCOV. A source for ex like this [65] isn't. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 06:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment The Man from Krypton, p. 85, has a relevant though brief characterization of Lionel Luthor, and likewise with The Smallville Chronicles. "Enter the Aleph: Superhero Worlds and Hypertime Realities" interestingly has a comparison to Samson of all people. Most importantly, does anyone have access to "The Role of Parents in the Processing of Adolescent Trauma in Smallville"? That sounds pretty promising. Daranios (talk) 15:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Found it, here. This paper does have a lot of plot summary on Lionel Luthor, but also evaluation of his role, although mostly in relation to Lex Luthor (Smallville). Daranios (talk) 16:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep or merge to Lex Luthor (Smallville) or/and List of Smallville characters#Lionel Luthor. While the great majority of material here is referenced to primary sources, it is not everything. There's IGN, DVD Verdict (where I don't know if it's reliable) and the Saturn Award. More importantly, the secondary sources listed above (result of a non-exhaustive WP:BEFORE search) together can provide enough commentary to fullfill WP:WHYN and WP:NOTPLOT. Much of the commentary is related to the relationship with Lex Luthor, so I have no objection against a merge. Daranios (talk) 21:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Lex Luthor (Smallville) or/and List of Smallville characters#Lionel Luthor. I would default to the list, with any additional detail covered at Lex Luthor. I agree that most of the coverage is in relation to Lex Luthor. There isn't enough WP:SIGCOV for a meaningful article but there is still something to WP:PRESERVE. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or merge the Smallville information to List of Smallville characters#Lionel Luthor and the comics version to List of DC Comics characters: L in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE. --Rtkat3 (talk) 02:14, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thajuddin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Article on certain topic "Thauddin" about the conversion of a Hindu king to Islam - Only found in conspiracy theories and low quality news reports by journalists. Usually supported by substandard books and research papers (all them by Muslim authors)

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• Delete. I can't find anything noteworthy (or indeed much at all) in Google Books. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 14:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: At best a hoax. Sources cited are poor in quality, this is itself sourced from Wikipedia. Garuda ^Talk! 13:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Derek_Brenzcewski (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Reality TV star, one show only. Fails WP:BIO SallyRenee (talk) 06:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No sign of WP:GNG besides two pieces from a local Patch newspaper. The show doesn’t even have a page here, and that too doesn’t seem notable enough. Delete. Jordano⁵³ 13:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Every indication I'm seeing looking up the show is that this was a self-financed pilot the subject paid Spike to air hoping that they'd make more episodes, which they didn't. There also seem to be search results suggesting he was doing this all while working in a local school district and corresponded with the producers through his school account, but just looking at the show and subject, there's nothing here outside a vanity project somehow getting time on a major cable network for its failed pilot. Nate • (chatter) 17:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vallabhaneni Maheedhar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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A WP:BEFORE search yields results from databases, LinkedIn, Facebook, Amazon, and other unreliable sources. The subject fails to meet under WP:NACTOR and WP:FILMMAKER. Also, there is no indication of meeting WP:SIGCOV. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 05:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Does not meet notability requirements for WP:MUSICBIO or WP:CREATIVE. Further notes: 750 monthly listeners on spotify, 3014 followers on soundcloud, 6.8k followers on facebook, 1.8 subscribers on youtube, 1543 followers on instagram, 126 followers on X. Can't find record of artist in french music charts. One album on an indie label (Police Records) second album 'Holiday' appears to be self published via Distrokid. One song on a movie soundtrack (Missions, 2017). Award mentioned was won at a music fesitval - no mention of these awards on that festival's wikipedia page, so it doesn't seem to meet the 'major music award' requirement. Real name: Jean-Sébastien Vermalle (573 monthly listeners on spotify)- appears to have details on imbd but little other internet coverage. SallyRenee (talk) 05:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The North American Discworld Convention (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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WP:BEFORE only showed unreliable sources such as blogs and fan sites, or other passing mentions. This does not have reliable secondary sources to achieve WP:SIGCOV. Jontesta (talk) 00:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Nothing in Gnews, nothing in RS that I can find. Sounds interesting, but no RS we can use. Oaktree b (talk) 01:19, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Comment: Is there coverage of the Discworld fandom as a whole? If so, then we might be able to justify creating a section or subsection (like under reception?) in the main Discworld article that could briefly cover the fandom and the various conventions like this one. I admittedly am not seeing a huge ton of sources, but perhaps someone else could have better luck? (I'm also not delving super deep as far as searching goes). I did find this one about the UK convention and this one about general convention appearances though, though. And this one that's paywalled but mentions a Pratchett superfan. They're all by The Guardian so it's not a huge depth of coverage, but it's a start. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:23, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: I wasn't really able to find a whole lot - there is some light mention of the conventions, so I think we could probably justify a few short lines. My recommendation is to retitle the critical reception section to just "reception" and include a sentence or two about the conventions. The conventions are a good example of fan reception, so inclusion there wouldn't be too out of the question. I just don't think that we need more than a sentence or so. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 16:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nande Mabala (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Sockpuppets and likely LOUTSOCK IPs are repeatedly eliminating a redirect, so instead of edit warring I am seeking an AfD consensus to establish a redirect to Miss South Africa 2023. The subject is not a pageant winner, and any notability she has appears to be WP:BLP1E for her placing in that pageant; the coverage that exists is WP:ROUTINE and there is no WP:SIGCOV for a WP:GNG pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:47, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: Why redirect in the first place? Edit warring and sock are not ground for deletion. Deal with the users and IP adequately. I also don't think WP:BLP1E applies here. The subject is a model, just like how a musician can be a one hit wonder. She is clearly notable and discussed in multiple RS, meaning she pass WP:GNG. A simple Google search is enough, I'm not gonna try to reference the whole internet here. dxneo (talk) 11:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Can you supply the specific sources you believe constitute SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources to pass GNG? I didn’t find any in my BEFORE, just mentions of her pageant career that didn’t go into substantial depth. P.S. Editor disagreements over a redirect are indeed a valid reason for an AfD discussion per WP:BLAR. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Great! I think I'll be back here on the 30th. Can't perform a full search rn, but she did headline multiple RS. Ciao! dxneo (talk) 12:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I have seen a lot of secondary reliable source with a significant coverage. I'm wondering how you nominated this article for deletion because what didn't tally with I knew on Wikipedia. [68], [69], [70], [71], [72] and [73] are enough to establish notability, as such it pass GNG [[Special:Contributions 102.91.92.110 (talk) 15:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC) — 102.91.92.110 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

  Nope, your first, second, and fourth sources are tabloid coverage, and per WP:SBST, tabloid journalism is not significant coverage. The third source is a Q&A interview and thus a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE. The fifth source is not an journalistically independent publication; it's a local booster/hotel room magazine. The sixth source, while not a Q&A, is composed almost entirely of quotes from Mabala and appears to based solely on an interview with her and is thus also a primary source. We're not at the point of WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG yet. By the way, since this is the first time this IP address has edited Wikipedia, can I ask what accounts you've previously used? Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:44, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I think we need to discuss this "interview is a primary source" thing, because that's where information normally comes from. If another publication quotes that interview, no one would say it's "primary". If the interview was published by a reliable source, then it's most definitely reliable. dxneo (talk) 19:11, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Not on my laptop so not going to type a full reply, but between this recent long discussion thread and WP:INTERVIEWS, there’s a robust consensus that merely being interviewed does not make one notable and that any content that is entirely or almost entirely dependent on an interview with the subject is not independent. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, I'll comment on the notability of the subject in the next few days. dxneo (talk) 09:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. In addition to the sources mentioned above, there are feature articles about her in the Sowetan, Dispatch, Worcester Standard, Star, and IOL. Plus coverage in the Sunday Times. Sure, a lot of the content is from interviews with Mabala, but these are by no means straight Q&A and are about as hard-hitting as you can expect of journalism about beauty pageants. I doubt that many models would pass WP:GNG if only investigative journalism qualified as secondary sources for the purposes of establishing notability. Jlalbion (talk) 11:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  In the interest of not appearing to bludgeon the discussion I’ll refrain from further comments in this discussion, other than to say that I reviewed these additional sources in my BEFORE and did not find them to pass the bar of independence (as single source interviews) or of SIGCOV (as tabloid coverage). I don’t edit much on beauty pageants and perhaps there is a local consensus at AfD on sourcing for pageant participants that I’m unaware of, so I’ll let the community decide without further input. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:33, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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David S. Kidder (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This article doesn't have enough coverage in multiple reliable sources. As a result, it fails to satisfy WP:SIGCOV and WP:AUTHOR TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 04:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This reads as a resume and fails to establish notability and references are almost all self-published. Marleeashton (talk) 06:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: having written some books and started two non-notable companies is not a claim to notability. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 09:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: None of the sources provide significant coverage, failing GNG (NAUTHOR in case). ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️^{(🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔)} 12:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Permanent Revolution (group) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Defunct minor Trotskyist group. No demonstration of meeting GNG within the article, with sourcing being from self-published sources (mostly their own) so violates WP:ABOUTSELF. Checks on scholar show no notable academic discussion of the group. No likelihood of improvement and no obvious redirect targets.

Delete. Rambling Rambler (talk) 01:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge/Redirect to List of Trotskyist internationals#Defunct. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 12:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Looked at this, problem with this redirect is that there's no reliable evidence they ever became an established "International", just that they had a handful of supporters outside of the UK. Rambling Rambler (talk) 15:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Haven't you just described half of all Trotskyist internationals? :) FWIW, WP:NLIST does not require individual entries in a list to be notable, just the class itself. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 23:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Goldsztajn while that first comment is definitely something I agree with, with this one it's not the lack of notability but the complete lack of any evidence it was effectively organised beyond the UK. There doesn't appear to be any list of national sections elsewhere, so I don't think it meets the definition of even being an international. Rambling Rambler (talk) 13:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  In French, I can find this, a translation from the Permanent Revolution group, on the site of their French sympathising group, indicating that 33 members from Great Britain, Ireland, Australia and Sweden were expelled from the LCI. At the end of the statement it indicates that the Australian section of the League (WPA) has joined them, along with members from Sweden and Ireland. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 01:51, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Mangal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The article lacks reliable sources to verify the information presented. Additionally, the battle appears to have limited historical significance and is not widely covered in notable sources, making the article's notability questionable. Article clearly failing WP:GNG and WP:V . Mr.Hanes Talk 04:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  Thank you @RangersRus, but I have removed the Gazetteers Sources as they are considered unreliable as per WP:RAJ. Mr.Hanes Talk 12:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to the main article Afghan–Sikh Wars or to Hari Singh Nalwa (Battle of Mangal (1821)) as this article lack content to expand. QEnigma talk 11:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oleksandr Roshchynskyi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Several searches in both English and Ukrainian turned up nothing approaching WP:SIGCOV, including, of course, the sources included in the article itself. Anwegmann (talk) 04:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG (WP:FOOTYN). Most of the information available online are from sports statistics sites, like which has been referenced in the article from Soccerway ([74]). Plays for a club in the country's 3rd tier. Only 2 appearances and 95 minutes play time in the 2nd tier competition before the club was relegated. WP:RS and WP:IS not available for WP:V. QEnigma talk 08:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  NFOOTY doesn't exist anymore! ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Didn't find any coverage to be considered notable per WP:GNG. CNC (talk) 22:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - can't find anything other than squad listings and database sources. Sport Arena was the best that I could find. Ukrainian Wikipedia has no decent sources either. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:29, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of websites with country access banned (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Unsourced unclear list. Was previously draftified, but its creator moved it back without any improvement. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Delete there's a concept here of an interesting article but there are articles that have these broken down by website such as Censorship of Wikipedia or by country like Internet censorship in the United Kingdom. Marleeashton (talk) 06:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment This article is not eligible for speedy, unless the creator was a sock. However, this article contains a notable topic. I'd rather see a usable redirect target or have it draftified before committing a !vote. Conyo14 (talk) 07:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete We already have articles that contain very similar information (e.g. see Internet censorship, Internet censorship and surveillance by country, Internet censorship and surveillance in [insert various continent names]), and this list - assuming it were complete and sourced - seems like a particularly unhelpful way of actually organising and presenting that information. If it's notable, the way in which country X censors the internet is usually already well covered in the article "Internet censorship in X", and censorship of website Y is usually already well covered in the article "Censorship of Y". We also already have lists for specific countries/websites, like List of websites blocked in Singapore, and even those are a bit of a mess with missing and uncited entries. So having one big 'master list' for some arbitrary and theoretically infinite set of website/country combinations seems like it would both provide little additional value, and would be probably impossible to actually curate and maintain in practice. MCE89 (talk) 08:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Unsourced, unclear inclusion criteria, unclear context and as mentioned by others above this has already covered already in different articles. Ajf773 (talk) 08:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - the topic is already covered in other articles that are more likely to be the first port of call for readers. Furthermore, this article is completely unsourced and looks quite incomplete, and as MCE89 has sagely noted, would be a nightmare to keep even reasonably current. As an alternative to deletion, I'd support draftification if the creating editor wants to try and develop it in a novel direction that is not immediately apparent from this discussion, and which complements (rather than repeats) existing articles. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 14:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. The information in this incomplete article is already covered on Wikipedia. Since draftify failed, I feel we have no choice but to delete it.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as the content is already covered sufficiently elsewhere. Don't redirect, as the article title also seems unclear and seems like an unlikely search term. Cielquiparle (talk) 09:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - A notable topic is better covered elsewhere and this one is wrongheaded and not notable as titled. I mean, there are a lot of American websites that ban access from Europe simply because they can't be bothered with addressing user information rights. An example: The Baltimore Sun [75] gives me "This content is not available in your region". So a country access ban list (as opposed to an out and out censorship list) would fail NLIST, require significant OR, and would be completely unmaintainable. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Dotzauer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level international medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Can't find SIGCOV for this one.Canary757 (talk) 07:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG (WP:NSKATE) criteria. No medals won in senior events. No sources which meet WP:V guidelines. QEnigma talk 09:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Fails notability and significant coverage criterias. Also was deleted after an AFD previously then recreated shortly afterwards with seemingly no improvements. Is there a way to prevent this being repeated?

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Wordhunt (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Lack of notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. As I wrote on the talk page while you were writing this, there is a lot of coverage of the Wordhunt to be found in Proquest. I added several reliable sources (Guardian, Scotsman, Chronicle of Higher Education), and the Boston Globe was already cited in the article, but there are also articles in Proquest in The Times (several), The Observer, Belfast Telegraph, Derby Evening Telegraph, Daily Post and even The Hindustan Times and Pittsburgh Post - Gazette. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: If the reason is solely "not notable" then I have to disagree. There's definitely some room for improvement on the article, but if there's enough sources about it, I see no reason to not keep it. It seems like WP:DANNO is happening here, I'd rather be convinced this isn't notable instead of just being told it isn't. Chew^{(V • T • E)} 21:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Niko Ulanovsky (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level international medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG (WP:NSKATE) criteria. No medals won in senior events. No sources which meet WP:V guidelines. QEnigma talk 09:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as per QEnigma.Canary757 (talk) 12:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vladyslav Shkolnyi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Similar to several other players from this team, and created by the same user, nothing I can find, in English or Ukrainian, comes close to satisfying WP:SIGCOV standards. Anwegmann (talk) 03:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Not a notable footballer per WP:GNG and no coverage found. CNC (talk) 22:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - likewise I was unable to find any decent coverage in Ukrainian, including on Ukrainian Wikipedia Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Artur Bybik (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Similar to two other player articles recently nominated, nothing I can find on this player, in English or Ukrainian, comes close to WP:SIGCOV. In like manner, the references in article fall well short of that standard. Anwegmann (talk) 03:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: No evidence of notability per WP:GNG. CNC (talk) 22:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - another very poorly sourced BLP. My own searches yielded nothing better than Tribuna and football.ua, both of which are passing mentions of a second yellow card. Everything else just seems to be the usual social media and database coverage that every Joe Bloggs in football has. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vitaliy Mentey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Searching in Ukrainian is somewhat difficult, but after several searches in English and Ukrainian, I have found nothing on this player that approaches WP:SIGCOV. None of the references in the articles meet the standard, either. Curious to see what others find. As far as I can tell, this article reaches level of an AfD discussion. Anwegmann (talk) 02:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: No evidence of notability per WP:GNG. CNC (talk) 22:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I'm surprised that this has lasted so long in mainspace, I suspect it's partly due to the WP:REFBOMB of database sources, which give an illusion of notability at first glance. I found Sport Arena, which is more than just a database entry, but it's not enough for GNG on its own. As I've said in previous Chernihiv AfDs, we're probably only just scratching the surface at the moment in terms of these non-notable Chernihiv BLPs. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:52, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Flynn Field (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Redirect to Dakota State Trojans. No evidence of notability for this NAIA-level baseball field. JTtheOG (talk) 02:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Dakota State Trojans as per above. No WP:SIGCOV to maintain as a separate article. QEnigma talk 08:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Dakota State Trojans baseball per above. I feel the baseball article is a better target than the less specific Dakota State Trojans page that describes its entire athletic program, but either target is fine. Frank Anchor 17:15, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Viktoria Vasilieva (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep she has participated in many high-level regional competitions, and has earned metals. Article needs more sources which can be easily done. Marleeashton (talk) 02:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All medals were junior-level, none of which qualify as notable per WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe that the intention of these guidelines were to be overly prescriptive. I see you have nominated many gymnast articles, while they don't meet the 'more likely to receive coverage' point they should be judged individually on their merits, not mass removed because they're less likely to receive coverage. Marleeashton (talk) 08:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Irving Scott (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable magician. No sigcov provided for this story-like article to distinguish it from a hoax. Jdcooper (talk) 01:25, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete References are just random archived message board postings. Unable to find any coverage. Marleeashton (talk) 07:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep there are a number of book sources referenced in the article that need assessment and this entry here links to several books and listing of 2 magazine articles about him, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of Dick Tracy villains (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This is a mostly unsourced spin off from List of Dick Tracy characters. Wikipedia implores us to not immediately split articles if the new article would meet neither the general notability criteria nor the specific notability criteria for their topic. Wikipedia also implores us not to create endless splits of similar articles without sources when those topics can be covered together in a single article. The target article is also missing sources but at least provides a valid redirect target. Jontesta (talk) 18:07, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge and redirect to List of Dick Tracy characters, but do not delete. The Dick Tracy franchise is known for the oddities of the villains created for it. See, e.g., CBR, "10 Ugliest Dick Tracy Villains". BD2412 T 01:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC) BD2412 T 01:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per BD2412. Agree that there is mergeable content, and that this would be the most appropriate outcome, placing information in a better and more accessible context for the reader. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge selectively, per BD2412. There is a WP:SIGCOV problem that makes it hard to justify multiple character lists, but there is an existing character list where this can be cleaned up and re-organized. Shooterwalker (talk) 18:47, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Dick Tracy characters#Enemies - The target list already has an extremely (to the point of badly needing its own cleanup) comprehensive list of the villains in the franchise. I honestly don't see what could be merged over from here to improve the target, as it is already a massive list itself, with more details of the villains then this one. Rorshacma (talk) 01:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Democrates (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I humbly submit that this article may safely be either taken down, merged, or changed to a redirect. Its principal claim to notability, I believe, is the occasional misattribution of Democritus’s sayings or likeness to one Democrates.

With regard to the former, according to our article on Democritus, Diels and Kranz attribute these sayings to Democritus, and this article repeats this attribution. As for the likeness, it can hardly be denied that the bust in the picture is stamped “Democrates,” and, indeed, the Wedgwood Museum’s website seems to list the very piece here under that name; that Museum’s website is hardly informative. Now, the Metropolitan Museum of Art has a similar piece also stamped “Democrates” but clearly catalogued as “Democritus.” Did someone at the Wedgwood company repeatedly make the same mistake? This hardly seems unlikely to me, but what say my fellow editors?

I do confess that the likeness is unlike some of those we have for Democritus, as that in the Villa of the Papyri, but it is hardly unlike his representation in numerous other portraits. Indeed, the painting by Coypel, loath as we may be to accept the authenticity of so modern a vision, seems based on an old tradition; a cursory search will, I believe, at worst, reveal to anyone conflicting traditions of his appearance with, nonetheless, a bias towards that seen in the Wedgwood bust. A worker at the company might have repeatedly made the mistake of labeling the likeness "Democrates", but did Coypel, who predates it, mistake with "Démocrite"? And many other artists in the tradition of the “laughing” or “smiling philosopher”?

That he was the founder of the basic concepts of democracy is obvious nonsense. (Among other consideration, were he a contemporary of Apollonius of Tyana, he would have lived centuries after the heyday of Athenian democracy!)

Mind you, Democrates is not an invalid Greek name. There is Democrates of Aphidna, and it is also attested to in, e.g., this article about Euripides, this work of the theologian Sepulveda, and, as I gather, a genus of beetles. Indeed, Livy apparently states that a Democrates led the Tarentines at the Battle of Sapriportis, but, although the name on that article links to the page about the supposed philosopher, their biographies could hardly agree. Furthermore, the name appears on the list of Druze prophets on this page, but I can find no citations to that effect. (This last, in particular, might make me suspect a hoax, though I make no such formal accusation here!)

Even if the Democrates article gave dates significantly after the laughing philosopher, they would not account for the difference in dates between the Tarentine commander and the Druze prophet, and, even if they did, they would not account for the article’s lack of biographical detail, unless a military command and posthumous religious veneration do not qualify as notable!

But, forgive me: I understand that those links need not really enter into the argument; they were, no doubt, added in good faith, or, at least, the one from the Tarentine commander to the supposed philosopher was.

Also, regarding biographical detail, the noted epistle of Apollonius seems to me suspect as a citation, for, as we have said, Democrates is a genuine Greek name, and the mere existence of an Apollonian contemporary by that name hardly justifies the rest of the article. (Also, in fact, it is epistle 96, not 88, but that may be beside the point!)

What harm would be done by noting more fully the occasional attributions to Democrates on Democritus’s article and changing Democrates’s to a redirect to Democritus? Or perhaps a disambiguation page could disambiguate things: a link to Democrates of Ephidna, a link to Sepulveda, a link to and a note on Democritus, and a note about the military commander. Pleased to take further part in the debate but better able to leave the question to more sage considerations than my own, I am sincerely yours, Twozenhauer (talk) 00:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  What about the Golden Sentences/ Golden Maxims of Democrates? This seems to be attributed to him even if nothing else is? I think the disputed historicity is clearly displayed in the article, so as it stands I am happy to keep, maybe with more commentary on historicity?Spiralwidget (talk) 15:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Spiralwidget: Thank you for your consideration of this matter! But even considering the Golden Sentences, I am in favor of one of the options I have mentioned above. Near as I can tell, the article’s best quality is its statement that “many scholars argue that these maxims all originate from an original collection of sayings of Democritus”; granted, as the article goes on to say, “others believe that there was a different little-known Democrates whose name became confused with the much better-known Democritus.”

But with regard to the former statement, I refer my fellow editors also to this article by a scholar named Searby, which I quote here:

“The two most important sources for the ethical fragments of Democritus are Stobaeus' Anthology and the so-called ‘golden maxims of Democrates’ (a much discussed misnomer). Through a careful comparison, [the scholar Gerlach] confirms Lortzing's conclusion that Stobaeus utilized a collection of Democritus' maxims nearly identical with the pseudo-Democrates collection, which, for [Gerlach], has the methodological consequence of making Stobaeus an indirect witness to that tradition, complicated by the thematic rearrangement in the Stobaean anthology.” (emphasis mine)

But, truth be told, I have not found a tremendous amount of discussion per se; scholars seem by-and-large in agreement about “pseudo-Democrates”. Another confident attribution of the sayings to Democritus is this somewhat older piece by M. L. West.

I do not have access to the Democrates article’s cited The Atomists, Leucippus and Democritus (though it is mentioned in the Searby review cited above), but, in the article’s defense, I could advance this notice from 1925, which seems to present the attribution of Democrates to Democritus as somewhat new; but, even if I did so, I would have, at best, to advance merger of the Democrates article with that of Democrates of Aphidna: the noted dissertation by Philippson is a refutation of one Laue’s dissertation from 1921, in which the latter scholar, according to this contemporary report, advanced Democrates of Aphidna as the author of the sayings, which were apparently already widely attributed to Democritus. The report speaks of the same Philippson paper thus:

“Philippson is led to discuss the authenticity, character, and transmission of the ethical precepts of Democritus in reviewing H. Laue's dissertation . . . Laue's main contention is that the collection of precepts bearing the name of Democrates is not to be ascribed to Democritus, but to the Attic orator of that name from Aphidna. On this basis Laue tries to distinguish the style and content of the Democrates maxims from what he considers to be the genuine sayings of Democritus. Philippson points out that thirty-one precepts of the Democrates collection appear also in Stobaeus, and probably more were contained in the lost eclogues. Therefore the testimony of the Stobaeus MSS., which show the frequent occurrence of Democrates for Democritus, although the latter predominates, makes it highly probable that the author of the sayings in the above collection was Democritus. Moreover Lortzing has shown that Stobaeus obtained his Democritus precepts from the same source from which the Democrates collection was derived . . . . “ (emphases mine)

So, I submit that note of the conflicting attributions might be made on the articles for both Democritus and Democrates of Aphidna; Democrates as we have it may, I believe, be deleted or changed to a redirect, but hardly stand as it is: at very least, he is not the only Democrates, and his article’s title should not suggest that he is the standout holder of that name!

This is more by way of a postscript: Is it not also curious that the note at the beginning of the article calls him a first-century philosopher? His supposed correspondence with Apollonius would place him then, but the article goes on to say that his Ionic dialect is evidence of composition at “a very early period”; but then his possible contemporaneity with Julius Caesar seems to bring him closer to the first-century (but B. C.!) date. But this could be fixed even were the article retained. Twozenhauer (talk) 06:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• User:Twozenhauer, can you cut down your deletion rationale for this article to two short paragraphs and "hat" the rest of your comments in case anyone wants to read them? Because I don't anticipate any editors with the patience to wade through your entire statements here. Please be concise in the future. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:40, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moliere Dimanche (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This is a copy of Draft:Moe Dimanche which the creator of both articles, User:NovembersHeartbeat, submitted to Articles for Creation back in September. This user has now made a new article, Moliere Dimanche, to bypass the AfC process, and redirected Moe Dimanche to lead back to this article. I have suspicions about WP:COI that I have expressed on NovembersHeartbeat's talk page (Dimanche is running to be Governor of Florida, which provides a clear motivation). NovembersHeartbeat also created Dimanche v. Brown for a legal case Dimanche was prominent within, and I am now also considering this for deletion. I would like some external advice on whether any of these articles pass WP:GNG as I am not well versed on American legal stuff like this. Spiralwidget (talk) 14:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for initiating this discussion. I would like to address some concerns raised in the nomination statement: My contributions to Wikipedia have been neutral, informative, and edited by Admins. I like editing on Wikipedia because I like spreading knowledge. My contributions include the Federal Magistrates Act, the JUDGES Act, and I'm currently putting together a page on the concept of Unsettled Law. These are topics that serve public interest and make people wiser, and why people rely on wikipedia more than any other source of enlightenment. This user SpiralWidget on the other hand has had his pages deleted because he abandoned them for 6 months. I take the spread of knowledge seriously, and I am grateful for the opportunity to do so.

Redirects and Related Articles: The user SpiralWidget says he has conflict of interest concerns, which were addressed when he first started editing the page Moe Dimanche. I think his primary reason for nominating the article for deletion is because it is a duplicate page. However, the wikipedia deletion policy specifically says

"If two pages are duplicates or otherwise redundant, one should be merged and redirected to the other, using the most common, or more general page name. This does not require process or formal debate beforehand."

But SpiralWidget moved the redirect page anyway because he wanted a formal discussion. The redirect Moe Dimanche was created to aid navigation for users searching under this common nickname. As for Dimanche v. Brown, it is a separate topic with its own independent notability, as demonstrated by coverage in legal publications and its significance in state-level jurisprudence. These articles serve distinct purposes and are appropriately created. 2. Conflict of Interest: I have no personal or professional connection to Moliere Dimanche. The article was written to document a notable public figure in compliance with Wikipedia’s WP:COI and WP:NPOV guidelines. This was already explained to SpiralWidget, even though I do not owe him an explanation. I came across Mr. Dimanche's YouTube videos after a judge in my city reopened a death investigation into a death of an inmate at a local prison. The only videos I could find on that inmate were done by Mr. Dimanche's Youtube channel and I learned more about him and asked why there wasn't a wikipedia page about him. So I decided to do it, as I began to follow what was going on with him. I welcome further discussion on how to improve the article and ensure compliance with Wikipedia's policies. I hope my contributions to Wikipedia demonstrate how serious I am about expanding knowledge in the areas of law and civil rights. I hope to help those looking to navigating complex legal theories and civil rights. NovembersHeartbeat (talk) 16:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Authors, Crime, Law, Haiti, United States of America, and Florida. Skynxnex (talk) 16:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This wall of text isn't going to advance your case. Please don't accuse other editors of vandalism without evidence. Cutlass^Ciera 18:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails GNG. Cutlass^Ciera 18:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Marginally Keep While I share suspicions that this is self-promotion by the primary contributor or meatpuppetry by the subject, I find that this does meet the general criteria for inclusion. Though not all the detail is necessary, the case cited does lend credence to the idea that the case and the subject of the case is notable enough; the precedent set is not nontrivial. Given the numerous local sources (admittedly probably pushing their own agenda), I think it marginally meets the threshold for inclusion. I would strongly advise User:NovembersHeartbeat to back off for a few days and likewise recant/strike his remarks about "vandalism". This is not "your" article. It is open to anyone to edit and improve within our guidelines. Buffs (talk) 22:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Marginal keep When I first came across this draft in AfC, I refrained from reviewing as the notability seemed marginal–it could've gone both ways. However, I do feel that there are some significant coverage of him as an artist, but this article needs to be ridden of fluff and promotion. [76] I also found this book by Nicole R. Fleetwood that discusses his art in detail. Ca ^{talk to me!} 02:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dimanche v. Brown (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable, WP:ROTM legal case that is principally created to add credence to Moliere Dimanche (see also: WP:Articles for deletion/Moliere Dimanche and User talk:NovembersHeartbeat)Spiralwidget (talk) 15:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for initiating this discussion. I would like to address some concerns raised in the nomination statement:

1. Vandalism: This user Spiralwidget has repeatedly vandalized this topic. In his nomination for deletion of the page for Moe Dimanche he states that Dimanche is "prominent" in the case law, and then states that he doesn't know much about "American legal stuff", but projects himself as an expert on legal case notability here. This is vandalism, and in American jurisprudence, Dimanche v. Brown has been cited in 178 new opinions be United States judges. That means this case law helped our highest courts establish new case law, and will continue to do so forever. Virtually every prominent legal publication cites the law for setting precedent, and the 178 citations is just from judges rendering opinions. That doesn't count the many more times litigants have used the citation to protect there positions in our district courts, our appellate courts, and in the Supreme Court of the United States. This is an actual law, and has been one since 2015.

I welcome further discussion on how to improve the article and ensure compliance with Wikipedia's policies. I hope my contributions to Wikipedia demonstrate how serious I am about expanding knowledge in the areas of law and civil rights. I hope to help those looking to navigating complex legal theories and civil rights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NovembersHeartbeat (talk • contribs) 16:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If virtually every prominent legal publication cites the law for setting precedent, can you provide a list of some of them? Ca ^{talk to me!} 21:49, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Law, Police, and United States of America. Skynxnex (talk) 16:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails GNG. Cutlass^Ciera 18:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, but I am happy to be proven wrong. I am not well-versed in the laws, so it is possible that I am missing some major source that I could look for coverage. However, a search on Google Scholar, Google, Google News, and Google Books did not return any usable source(that is, reliable and independent). Currently, this article has an WP:original research problem since the topic has zero secondary analysis by reliable sources. This article is also heavily WP:REFBOMBed with primary documents of the lawsuit. Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also feel like my essay WP:NPOV deletion applies here, since lawsuits are naturally a contentious topic. Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The use of a level-3 fake header (same as the real header of the entire AfD) is confusing. Reduced to level 4. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]