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Acanothyra is a typo of Acanothyia, a dubious and extremely obscure extinct sea sponge, potentially a Cretaceous glass sponge, though information is very scarce. The typo appears in sources such as de Laubenfels (1955, pg. 94)[1] and Sepkoski (2002), and this typo apparently trickled down to the mindat entry cited as the article's sole source. The corrected name appears in sources such as Reid (2004, pg. 555)[2] and its PBDB entry[3].
The problem with a simple rename is that a legitimate article for Acanothyia would amount to a one-line description which would barely edge against even very liberal approaches to notability. Even if this approach was followed, the text of the current article would need to be completely discarded, as it incorrectly borrows the infobox, classification, and database IDs of Amphipora, a completely unrelated stromatoporoid sponge. The mindat entry is also contradicted as a result.
I consider an AfD to be the most sensible course of action considering the entire article is a net negative contribution to the site, and even in an improved iteration it would be close to net zero. NGPezz (talk) 02:06, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and Rename - while I'm certainly not attached to this page, it's been accepted that all validly coined genera are automatically notable, providing they are not an accepted synonym. Feels like opening a can of worms to go against that and set a precedent that generic notability is also beholden to some level of available information. Whether any of the current content is salvageable isn't relevant to whether the topic passes notability. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 04:43, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and provide a correct infobox. Frankly at this level of content the only difference between renaming vs deleting & creation of new stub is the administrative effort of the latter - the former we can do without a sysop bit. Also produces a redirect from a published misspelling, which is a plus. And yes, we do want an article Acanothyia per WP:NBIOL. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 05:35, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, good arguments for a keep, rename, and remake, which shouldn't take too long. I felt it was on the edge of notability but I can certainly see the argument that notability is maintained. Nomination withdrawn. NGPezz (talk) 19:17, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Originally PROD, but Svartner advised AFD instead.
This article has been unsourced for years. Prior to 2019, it used TheFinalBall as a reference until it shut down. Other languages are also unsourced, except Portugese, which has one source. Though, it's Blogspot, but it is written by Paulo Moreira (I assume the footballer), which may give it some credibility. Otherwise, I can't find sources on him, not even on databases. Roast (talk) 23:20, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per the sources added to the article and because it is guaranteed the top scoring football player in Portugal would have been covered during his career. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:12, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Draft:Ed Artau was created in draft space, as judicial nominees are not inherently notable. The creating user evidently copied the draft article and pasted it in article space. That user appears to have been around long enough to know better. The article is not ready to move from draft space and even if it was, it should have been moved, not copy/pasted, to preserve the edit history. Safiel (talk) 03:59, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Even if we accept notability, the current article in article space should be deleted and the article in draft space should be moved to article space to preserve the edit history. Since this was a copy/paste move a merge of this and the draft is not appropriate, simply delete and move the draft to article space.Safiel (talk) 15:29, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this article and keep the draft. Traditionally, we only accept articles for American federal circuit judges once approved by the Senate. If this nominee is approved, we can move the draft into project space. --A. B.(talk • contribs • global count)17:54, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Query While he does indeed appear not to be sufficiently notable yet, the statement that this was cut-and-pasted from the draft doesn't appear to be borne out. Compare the draft as of 25 June (most recent edit), and the article as posted 30 June. There is very little overlap - only that that could be reasonably expected from working from the same sources - and the draft has much more content. @Safiel: who nominated, @BD2412: who !voted based largely on that. - The BushrangerOne ping only04:39, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Response to query Even if we accept that this article was created fully independently, the article still fails WP:GNG and should be deleted on that basis alone. Draft:Ed Artau should be left as is and when Artau is confirmed by the Senate, the draft should be moved to article space. The draft is more complete than the article space version and there is nothing from the article space version that needs to be contributed to the draft. Safiel (talk) 19:03, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to List of Marvel Comics teams and organizations and merge encyclopedic content. If that article is deleted at AfD, other targets have been proposed. As I see it there's consensus against a standalone and also consensus to keep some of the content, possibly at multiple locations. The target of the redirect is less critical. Vanamonde93 (talk) 22:10, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The Marvel teams list clearly fails WP:NLIST, so there is nowhere rational to merge or redirect. The article itself also fails notability. Marvel Wiki is that-a-way. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:31, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am still feeling like WP:INDISCRIMINATE is failed by the article, so it doesn't change my opinion. There's also no single place that would make sense to redirect the term. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:55, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have no objection to that, as if the list was decided to be notable, then it would absolutely be a viable place for redirection. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:46, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Nova (Richard Rider), who seems to be the primary Nova character. Given the bulk of Nova's notability is due to this character, and the coverage for the Corps is non-existent, it's likely better to redirect here, where the Corps are very relevant as part of the Nova character's backstory. Would also be safer on the chance the teams and organizations list is redirected or deleted via the ongoing Afd. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:54, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing a slew of other deletion nominationts that was as much time as I wanted to spend in searching for sources. As only short secondary sources turned up which can likely fit into another (list other otherwise) article, a merge is fine with me. Daranios (talk) 09:55, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect/merge per Pokelego999. Limited coverage that doesn't pass WP:GNG, but there is a clear WP:ATD for the character this is associated with. Let's strive for compromise and consensus. Shooterwalker (talk) 18:00, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Strong Delete: I concur with nom that it feels AI generated, but even if it didn't, an article with apparently no available modern sources, and no apparent value would be a strong delete for me. If someone wants to try to save it, maybe draftify it, but short of someone volunteering to try to do the legwork, it seems that nothing of value would be lost by loosing it. Foxtrot620 (talk) 23:06, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Regardless of if it's AI, it is written and titled like an essay. Maybe this topic could be an article section, but it could probably be fine as just a sentence or two in a different article. - Ike Lek (talk) 04:20, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Unfortunately I don't think there's anything salvageable here. If it had a better title and wasn't written as an essay, it would probably be a case of WP:TNT, but the current title of the article isn't worth keeping, so it would have to be written elsewhere. --cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 08:44, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. After a full month, we've managed to garner zero policy-based arguments here. Owen×☎17:51, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As I didn't found no major critic review even this movie is release. And no reliable sources. Fail to meet WP:NFP Or WP:GNG— Preceding unsigned comment added by DivitNation (talk • contribs)
The review is looks paid and very low quality source. The others times of india sources are purely promotional as per wikipedia TOI is promotional for film. Need more sources to established notability. DivitNation (talk) 13:11, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: First off, this was intended as a place to reinstate some history regarding the history of its broadcast rights that had been unilaterally removed by another editor without explanation, while allowing the main article to have more of a streamlined summary. In addition, this article is modeled after several similar articles in American sports, including NFL on American television and Major League Soccer on television, with the possibly of including more details about things like the production, notable personnel, etc. ViperSnake151 Talk 17:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Initially even I thought that this article should be redirected, but when I looked at similar such articles of NFL and NHL, I realised that when the league will grow in years, broadcasters will change and there will be too much information to keep on the main IPL article. So we can put it all here and only summarise there. Also we can include various broadcasting/viewership records and stats here.
I looked at WP:OSE as per you said, and my vote may not have followed the counterargument clause there, but my sole objective was to give information on the context (relevant here) wrt to other leagues doing the same and nothing else so I mentioned them here as a base example. I will not repeat it again, thanks for noting it to me. Editking100 (talk)
Your argument when the league will grow in years, broadcasters will change and there will be too much information to keep on the main IPL article is WP:CRYSTAL-based speculation. When and if the league grows and there becomes too much information to keep on the main IPL article, adding a spin-off article can be considered. But certainly not now. FrankAnchor14:46, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You can verify yourself, there is currently 4x or 5x more information on broadcasting here in this article as compared to the main IPL wikipage (broadcasting section). So this was my reason above when I said, I am in support for Keep here, considering we already have more information to fill a spinoff article currently citing 48 sources, which isn't included in the main page. Editking100 (talk)
Keep: I usually try to avoid WP:OSE, but in this case, it's clear this article was modeled after similar ones in American sports such as the aforementioned NFL on American television and Major League Soccer on television. According to WP:NOPAGE, when many similar notable topics exist, it is impractical to collect them into a single page, because the resulting article would be too unwieldy. With the size of this article, I think the unwieldy argument applies in this case. In addition, the article is well-sourced, so it passes WP:GNG.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:55, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
we are not a TV directory Agreed; WP:NOTTVGUIDE says:
An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc., although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable.
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Comment to closer I don't see any keep votes advocating for anything other than WP:OSE, a no consensus close would be effectively supporting these bunch of OSE votes. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:09, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Notability isn't in doubt here - the critical question is whether a merger is viable. In my view it is not: the article is presently at 1100 words, and most of that is reasonably encyclopedic, at least to a similar degree as comparable articles. There's likely room for expansion, with the 2008-2017 period being covered in only a couple of paragraphs. There's a few scholarly sources touching on the subject; see [5], for instance, which has a page or so of content. In sum there's too much content to be reasonably merged into the parent article, and a spinoff is appropriate. Vanamonde93 (talk) 22:17, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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After extensive searching I was unable to find any other sources that mention the island or even locate it on a map. As such if it exists I believe it fails WP:GEOLANDGiuliotf (talk) 19:40, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am also nominating the following related page because for the same reason, (unable to find any other mentions of it or even locate it on a map):
Delete both The Lonely Planet book mentions each island once, on the same page. The other sources do not mention the islands at all or are no longer available. One mention in one source is insufficient for WP:GEOLAND. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 23:14, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can't access reference 3 or 4 (for some reason Google Books no longer works in my browser), but the Seach (not "seech") reference is an utterly trivial "this exists" statement probably lifted from WP, and the last reference doesn't mention Varo at all. I stand by my delete. However, since we can verify these islands exist from multiple sources, I would be open to a merge to List of islands of Vanuatu. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 11:04, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for providing the extra links. Unfortunately I can't access some of them, but I was able to access one of the new sources for Varo which helpfully has Varo Island labelled on a map in roughly the location where it should have been (-16.5422, 167.6965), which likely means that Leumanang is here (-16.5303, 167.7054) (one of the alternate names for this island on geonames is Limaning, so it seems like a good match), which would make the island here Arseo (-16.5200, 167.7155) (using google earth to look at historical photos I can see some buildings on the south of the island in 2003 with the island becoming overgrown between 2003 and 2015, which is consistent with what is written on the wiki page. The names I have found for these three islands are Fido, Limani and Faroun.
Unfortunately I am unable to access most of the new references, best I've been able to manage is using google books to see some snippets, for Varo Island as far as I can tell both new sources have very brief mentions that help confirm the location of the islands, but little else (maybe someone with better access to the sources can provide more context).
For Leumanang Island, one source is a brief mention that was also added to the Varo page, the mapaction PDF I am unable to access (the url might be incorrect) and for reference 4 ([1]) I am unable to see a preview and I can only see 3 snippets, all three of which are snippets of maps, but where the location of Leumanang appears to be further north, near Norsup, so it appears that these three mentions at least are of a different place with the same name (possibly an alternate name of Uri (island) or Uripiv or maybe the island here (-16.0990, 167.4427) which I have been unable to find a name for, but these are just guesses. I also suspect the current reference 7 refers to one of these islands as they are missing from that page and the other Leumanang Island looks uninhabited).
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(1) is a WP:FORBESCON piece, (2) is a piece he wrote himself and that was published on his employer's site, (3) could just about count towards GNG if we're being very generous, but is mostly just an interview about the work that Facebook is doing, and (4) is an interview. At best that makes 1 very marginal GNG-qualifying source. MCE89 (talk) 12:34, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if this person really is notable, because it's so badly written. If this is paid for, he was ripped off. Bearian (talk) 17:16, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete, the companies he's worked for are notable, but he appears to be well-know only for them. 1) is a Forbes contributor article, and I don't see anything that describes the author as a subject-matter-expert—just other Forbes articles and blogs. 2) is a self-published piece hosted by Meta, and 3) I cannot access. 4. As an interview is a primary source. Celjski Grad (talk) 15:19, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Non notable film. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. A little local filmmaker is promoting himself stuff in Herald Community Newspapers but nothing else. Awards are not major. Showing at festivals is not notability. Reviews listed are from two pay for review sites (Take 2 Indie Review - "SHORT FILM REVIEW – $55", Indie Shorts Mag, for >20minute film prices start from $59.99. duffbeerforme (talk) 22:33, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable student film. Of the coverage by independent sources, both reviews are from unreliable publications, the Herald articles read as local-person-wins-award, and neither of the awards it won would meet WP:NFO. Can't find any other coverage that would help this meet WP:NFILM. hinnk (talk) 01:45, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. If the filmmaker's page survives it could potentially redirect there, but that looks to be a big IF. I've done a big rundown of the sourcing on the AfD talk page. Ultimately the only halfway usable sources are two articles from a local paper and an award from a small, indie film festival of dubious notability (Long Island International Film Festival). Assuming that the film festival is notable then the award could count towards notability, but wouldn't be enough on its own to pass NFILM. This doesn't really show a good depth of coverage or that the movie passes NFILM. I don't want to automatically assume that the article creator has a COI, but this does appear to be a case of someone puffing claims to make a non-notable film look more notable. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。)21:01, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I want to stress that if this is the director or someone else with a COI, you have placed the film festival's article at risk because now there will be more eyes on it - so in an attempt to promote this director you have potentially reduced the visibility of an independent, small film festival. This is one of the more frustrating aspects of AfD. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。)21:05, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The film received some festival recognition and minor coverage, the depth and independence of that coverage appear limited. Under WP:NFILM, short films require significant attention from reliable, independent sources to establish notability, and that threshold doesn’t seem to be met here.--Unclethepoter (talk) 10:06, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Non-notable object that does not have any scientific studies that focus on it individually (see Google Scholar and NASA ADS). The only striking detail about this object according to this article is the fact it will make a very close approach to Saturn in 2201, but that is not documented in NASA-JPL's orbit database website and the close approach event has high uncertainties. The the encounter was identified via NASA-JPL's ephemeris service, but since there's no other source documenting this, it counts as original research unfortunately. This fails astronomical object notability guidelines at WP:NASTRO. This should be redirected to List of centaurs (small Solar System bodies). Nrco0e(talk • contribs)22:05, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Hmmm, that movie does have more page views, so I would not be opposed to that, and then put a for hatnote. But I would be curious to know the click thru data on the disamb page. Metallurgist (talk) 20:30, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I don't think there's a redirect target that will be agreed on given that each person has suggested a different target, but the title is ambiguous as to what it's referring to and there is no clear primary topic, which warrants keeping the disambiguation page. - Aoidh (talk) 15:02, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. The article has been expanded in these edits with new sources and translated content from the French Wikipedia article. There is a lot SIGCOV available on her, especially French-language news coverage, including coverage of career developments or reviews of her TV programs in Le Journal de Montréal, Canoe.ca, and La Presse, which are now cited in the article. In particular, this in-depth profile from Maclean's magazine and this profile and Nathalie Petrowski's critiques [10][11] in La Presse (in French) are good examples. I'm sure someone can add/translate even more content, but I think this is a good start. Best, Bridget(talk)02:24, 8 July 2025 (UTC) (edited 11:16, 8 July 2025 (UTC))[reply]
Keep. Article has seen significant improvement to both its referencing and its basic notability claims since time of nomination — as noted, the only real issue here was that her sourcing is disproportionately much more in French than English, meaning a lot of good stuff likely got overlooked. Bearcat (talk) 21:15, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Newsweek is a fairly reputablle news agency, even though "reputable" is a fairly subjective view; Trump even calimed, quite unfairly that CNN, MSNBC, CBS are "fake"news.04:21, 16 July 2025 (UTC) SAaphIrEblUE (talk) 04:21, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Noted and thanks for the comment. It has been re-edited to reflect the top 10, so as to differentiate substantially from the original top 100.SAaphIrEblUE (talk) 06:07, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Otherwise most rankings on The issue of copyright violation has been addressed with extensive editing; a ranking by an agency is NOT in itself a copyright violations, if the wordings and sentences are extensively structured differently. Most rankings in Wikipedia would be copyright violations.SAaphIrEblUE (talk) 04:26, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The issue of copyright violation has been addressed with extensive editing; a ranking by an agency is NOT in itself a copyright violations, if the wordings and sentences are extensively structured differently. Otherwise most rankings on Wikipedia would be copyright violations.SAaphIrEblUE (talk) 04:26, 16 July 2025 (UTC)SAaphIrEblUE (talk) 04:41, 16 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]
The sources are Newsweek and Statista, two fairly reliable media, even though "reliability" is a subjective perspective, Donald Trump called mainstream news media like CNN, MSNBC, CBS, PBS, as "fake" news media and thus unreliable. If the article is poorly written, Wikipedians are always welcome to grammatically improve the article.04:31, 16 July 2025 (UTC) SAaphIrEblUE (talk) 04:31, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - reproducing Newsweek's list in full is at least dubious in terms of copyright, and the remaining sources are generally not independent, tending to be press releases that simply parrot the instution's ranking along with a bunch of promotional text. I don't think that this article improves the encyclopedia. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 06:14, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. This is a procedural close given that there has been no non-sock participation and the AFD wasn't transcluded properly. Any editor is welcome to renominate this article if they do so properly. I recommend using WP:TWINKLE. LizRead!Talk!23:05, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can't find any information about his biography in any sources. All are about the series. Fail to pass notability. As should be delete.— Preceding unsigned comment added by DivitNation (talk • contribs)
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Subject fails to meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The current sources are primary to the leagues and clubs Benamma played for and all I could find elsewhere was a short article at [[12]], which is not significant. Let'srun (talk) 21:07, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Most of the sources in the article are not independent, but the last one presented by Let's run is. The last two, which cover African national football teams, are also satisfactory in my opinion. Svartner (talk) 00:45, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Hannon does not appear to be notable outside of his involvement with the band Tesla. The article had been a redirect to Tesla (band) but has recently been edited by an apparent COI editor. All sourcing is primary (Hannon's or Tesla's own websites), Wikipedia pages (in English and Spanish) and interviews. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!!19:03, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Frank Hannon has released over 6 solo albums in his career and is currently active outside of Tesla. Most recently he has an interview in the July 2025 edition of Vintage Guitar Magazine about his solo career. Vintage Guitar magazine July 2025 I agree that the wiki article needs better independent citation but should not be deleted or redirected. Guitarcritic (talk) 23:14, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Not only is Frank Hannon one of the constant members of Tesla, but the fact that he has also released albums as a solo artist makes him notable outside of the band. UndergroundMan3000 (talk) 15:23, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The article absolutely needs to be cleaned up, with too many autobiographical sources, but that is a different issue than his notability. His solo career outside of Tesla has received sufficient coverage to merit a separate article here, but it should be boiled down to basic facts. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:50, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment - Sources already used in current footnotes #10 and #12 are sufficient for his general solo career, while [14], [15], [16], [17] mention various albums/songs and should be enough to support a stub article. But as I already said above, a lot of junk must be removed from the article as well. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 20:37, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per the reliable sources coverage identified in this discussion that is about his solo career so that a seperate article about him is justified in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:35, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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This article is very out of date and I'm not seeing the sourcing to confirm even basic details about its longevity and ownership. I can't find any coverage of this paper at all, even under its (potentially many) alternate names. The acquisitions are tough to follow... it may be owned by Lake Norman Publications now, after stints with McElvy Media Group (maybe?) and others. The best evidence I can find is LinkedIn reports from former news editors who seem to now work at Norman. I hate deleting news publications, but this content is inaccurate and I can't even find press releases or acquisition announcements to verify it. An enterprising editor may be able to find more coverage for a more prominent iteration of this magazine or its parent publisher, whoever that currently is. Suriname0 (talk) 19:06, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:GNG. Lacks significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. Current references are limited to player profile pages and do not establish notability. Icem4k (talk) 19:38, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please consider not wasting the project's time with inovcations of guidelines that became extinct several years ago, typical last-resort arguments such as "information should be available", etc. Geschichte (talk) 20:17, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete borderline A7 and likely listed from one of the sources as it read like a company bio. Other sourcing identified didn't show any other path to notability StarMississippi21:34, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep As Curbon7 and Bearian have noted, cleanup is needed to address the COI/Promo issues, but the subject clearly passes WP:NPOL as a member of the Parliament of Lebanon. Sal2100 (talk) 18:42, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy keepWP:SK3, invalid nomination. The article appears to be purely factual; stating facts that happen to be positive is not promotional, and being promotional is not itself a valid deletion rationale. More, the nomination statement does not address any notability criteria at all, and Mukhanov's IEEE Fellow status passes notability through WP:PROF#C3 and is explicitly cited by WP:PROF as an example of the sort of society fellowship that passes that criterion. He also has strong citation counts on Google Scholar [18], enough for WP:PROF#C1. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:54, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. As indicated by others, to overturn a unanimous AfD keep consensus (let alone less than two months ago), the nomination would need to be much more thorough and persuasive, directly addressing the arguments and sources in the previous AfD. (non-admin closure)Left guide (talk) 19:15, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This article survived its first nomination only in May, albeit seemingly on the existence of sources that, since that nomination, still have not been added to the article. (Meanwhile, the most significant editing since then has been from a new user trying to add more non-RS and even the official description of one of the company's games—which I've requested revdel for—all of which have been reverted out.) I have no opinion on anything more than that, but it does show that sources identified as reliable in AfDs should be added to the article ASAP to avoid future renominations. WCQuidditch☎✎19:38, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep No acknowledgement of why the previous AfD's sources were not sufficient, suggests that it was made in error without checking the previous AfD history. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:45, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. The nominator should have used the sources given in the previous AfD to improve the article instead of nominating it less than 2 months later. Ike Lek (talk) 20:18, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The article was nominated for deletion in May 2025 and survived with a majority of keep votes. Nominating it for deletion again just two month later doesn’t seem like a good idea. Baqi:) (talk) 06:31, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete The coverage is mainly due to celebrities helping the club with money. In my opinion, this is not what is needed to confirm the notability of a football club. Antoine le Deuxième (talk) 15:38, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep there are multiple articles focused solely on this football club from reliable sources (BBC, SKY News, Nation.Cymru, other local news, etc..) that are independent of the subject. They are not passing mentions. The coverage is verifiable and sustained over the past few years and cited in the article. To respond to Antoine le Deuxième's opinion above, the reasons why an entity has recieved coverage, do not figure into what is considered notable for weighing up notability according to WP:GNG. Nayyn (talk) 22:26, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - Per Nayyn. This team already has a few news sources solely about it and will probably get more in the future. I have no idea how NOTNEWS applies to this since this team has more in-depth coverage ([19], [20], [21], than higher level clubs. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 05:09, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete/Merge Not notable for a standalone article and relevant content on its existence can be merged/added to the main university article. Coldupnorth (talk) 15:13, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Tragic accident, but there appears to be no lasting coverage that contributes to notability. Not to mention that this might be the most poorly cited article I've seen short of one with no sources at all (four sources right back to Wikipedia, and one is to an online forum?). nf utvol (talk) 18:28, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm not going to cast a vote on this AfD, but I think it should be noted by those who do that this article was created and nominated for deletion less than 3 hours apart. (This article does have issues with how it's written and referenced regardless.) 11WB (talk) 00:00, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment noting that the person its named after live in a separate colony a couple of thousand miles away. A quick trove show that the street has more than a name linked to notable events like a murder there in 1862. Unrevelling what is about a street and what is linked to it and how it connects articles as well as places is important too. Gnangarra15:19, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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This appears to just be a coatrack for information about post-Taliban human rights campaigns in Afghanistan. The existence of such a collective phenomenon is not supported in reliable sources—sources exist, but this doesn't appear to be a "real" topic. Title also would need to specify post-Taliban human rights campaigns, but that's an issue for if the article is kept. Maybe this can be merged to Human rights in Afghanistan. ꧁Zanahary꧂06:08, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete for now. After conducting a WP:BEFORE, I couldn't found significant coverage in reliable sources about the subject to meet general notability guidelines and significant coverage. Thus fails to demonstrate notability. Fade258 (talk) 14:55, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Fan-compiled, unfiltered, and completely unreferenced (or poorly referenced in some season) details on each episode. Sources don't tell how each season is notable. AstrooKai (Talk) 13:07, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, and also happy with a redirect being left - nothing to suggest these seasons themselves are notable or needing their own articles. Lacks sigcov of the seasons as concepts. CoconutOctopustalk17:39, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Does totally not need to be deleted as it details all that happens during the competition, as it considered true based on the full episodes during its airing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.62.25.50 (talk) 03:59, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is the season was not notable at all and the article use mostly on primary source and fancruft. This is not fandom wiki, this is Wikipedia and there is a standard criteria if the article needs to be create as a standalone article. ROY is WARTalk!11:16, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a breakdown of the types of sources found and how they support keeping a standalone article (or at least, strong content within the main article):
1. Critical Reception & Ratings Performance:
"GMA's The Clash Endures Poor Reviews and Bad Ratings After Two Weeks | From the Tube" (July 17, 2018): This is a critical piece discussing the show's initial performance. It explicitly mentions:
Ratings: "During the weekend of July 7, 'The Clash'’s ratings were at 19.4 and 19.6% on Saturday and Sunday respectively." It also compares them to a rival show ("Your Face Sounds Familiar Kids"). This is significant coverage of the season's commercial performance.
Critical Reception: "The GMA singing competition show is off to a poor start, both critically and commercially." It details viewer complaints about "bad lighting, shaky camera angles, awful sound quality and fake audience reactions." It even points blame at the director. This is independent critical analysis of the season's quality.
Social Media Impact: It notes "overwhelmingly negative reception to the program muted this achievement" despite trending on Twitter.
"The Kids' Choice' Beats 'The Clash' in National TV Ratings - Starmometer" (September 4, 2018): This article explicitly states "The show recorded a national TV rating of 29% last Saturday versus 'The Clash' that only got 18.9%," confirming direct ratings comparisons for Season 1.
2. Impact on Contestants' Careers / Music Industry:
"Garrett Bolden shares how 'The Clash' changed his music career | GMA Entertainment" (January 19, 2022): While from the network itself (GMA Entertainment), it discusses the impact of "The Clash Season 1" on a specific finalist's career, Garrett Bolden, who signed with GMA Music after the show. This shows the show's tangible output and influence.
"Mga kanta ng 'The Clash' season 1 graduates, available na sa 'Spotify' | GMA Music" (March 27, 2020): This indicates that music from Season 1 participants was officially released and made available on major streaming platforms, demonstrating a lasting output of the season.
3. General Discussion/Historical Context:
Reddit threads (e.g., r/ChikaPH): While not a reliable source for factual claims, the discussions (like "I remember I enjoyed watching the 1st season of The Clash. But was disappointed at the winner. IMO I still think the runner-ups were better than the grand champion. Pero dahil "favorite" siya ni Ai-Ai kaya siguro bakit siya nanalo. lol.") indicate public discussion and even controversies surrounding the winner of Season 1, which could be mentioned if reliably sourced elsewhere.
What this means for the AfD:
The presence of these sources significantly strengthens the argument against deleting "The Clash season 1" and redirecting it. They show that:
The season itself received significant coverage beyond just airing. There was public commentary, critical analysis of its production quality, and reporting on its ratings performance. This addresses the "lack of significant coverage of the seasons as concepts" point.
It had a demonstrable impact: The careers of its contestants and the release of their music are direct results that were covered by secondary sources.
It faced specific critical reception: The initial poor reviews and ratings, and comparisons to rival shows, are notable aspects of that particular season's history.
Given this information, I would now argue that "The Clash season 1" does appear to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines and should likely not be deleted and redirected.
The existing article can and should be improved by incorporating these independent secondary sources to substantiate claims about critical reception, ratings, and post-show impact of the contestants. The concerns about primary sources and "fancruft" are valid, but they suggest the article needs improvement and proper referencing, rather than outright deletion. If these sources are properly used, the article could clearly demonstrate why Season 1 is notable enough for its own page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.198.27.8 (talk) 09:35, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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My concerns about this person's notability still hasn't eased since the previous AFD discussion, which resulted in "kept". Re-reading the discussion, the "keep" votes aren't without caution if not suspicion.
One promised to improve the article or something (to further verify this person's notability), but I still don't see logs of edits made by that voter. Another is now blocked for abusing multiple accounts. Another cited WP:NACTOR, which is what I was unwilling to challenge then due to lack of votes favoring either deletion or redirection.
I re-raised my concerns recently not too long ago:
I'm concerned again about this person's notability. The following I cannot use to verify because they are just interviews, i.e. primary sources, which neither WP:GNG nor WP:NBASIC would allow such sources to be counted: Ent Weekly (another), Pajiba.
Screen Rant (source) is discouraged per WP:RSP#Screen Rant. Reality Tea displays just his brief profile. I was able to listen to the Idaho Statesman article; it just previews his then-upcoming The Challenge appearance. Maybe I'm doubtful again about this person, but the reliable sources verifying his general/basic notability have become scarce. George Ho (talk) 17:58, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Since then, I've yet to see my concerns readdressed. To challenge the past assumption that WP:NACTORS suffices, this person must also comply with WP:NBASIC per WP:BIOSPECIAL. I've still yet to see reliable independent sources verify his notability in Survivor: Winners at War and/or The Challenge and/or any other non-television field even as a war veteran.
You don't need to watch it. Already, he won just one season and reappeared as one of established winners in the winners-only season. Well, he didn't win in his second (winners-only) season, but even other winners who also reappeared in that season turn out to be notable for just their own winning seasons (per past AFD discussions) and lack general/basic notability needed for this project. George Ho (talk) 17:20, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You'll notice I only commented on his military service notability, and that because it was included in the Military AfD sort. Nothing else. Intothatdarkness17:31, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep: Lots of coverage in Gnews about the Survivor win, from 2017 then again in 2020. Shows sustained coverage. It's a mix of interviews, how he'll spend the money and the usual celebrity news, but he's well-known to the public. Oaktree b (talk) 14:25, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are even discussions in Gscholar and Books about him, studying adversarial networks. I'd say he's more than notable. Oaktree b (talk) 14:28, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why am I not surprised about your mentioning of Google results? from 2017 then again in 2020 Ones from 2017 are primarily about him winning and how he won Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers, which can be already detailed at the season page. Ones from 2020 still refers him as the winner of that season and probably promoted the Winners at War season before the season started. Ones covering his Winners at War gameplay were just recaps and interviews with him.
a mix of interviews, how he'll spend the money Still didn't prevent the article about the Survivor 43 winner from being redirected to the season article (AFD discussion), despite giving all to charity.
he's well-known to the public. As I see, he appeared in Quiet Explosions: Healing the Brain, a documentary film about war veterans and PTSD. Then again, WP:NBASIC. Anyways, with that quote said, any "well-known" Survivor winners that have been redirected to their own winning seasons? What about the Blood vs. Water winner (AFD) or The Australian Outback one (AFD) or...?
There are even discussions in Gscholar and Books about him, studying adversarial networks. Hmm... You're getting there maybe, but... No, wait, the Google Scholar shows just few or several results, including one German database showing info about this book and one turning out to be a student's thesis. Some of the results there are repeated in Google Books, like this one. Well, the sources are just covering his HvHvH gameplay. I've yet to see them cover his gameplay in Winners at War and The Challenge, like his med-evacs there.
Well, I can't help being nitpick-y about your rationale for your "weak keep" vote. I don't know how else to convince you, but then I'll stop here, hoping that someone else besides me can disagree with you. George Ho (talk) 20:13, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as there is not enough coverage to demonstrate notability (WP:GNG), nor have they had significant roles in a way that would satisfy WP:NACTORno matter how it's written. The only source I can find that counts for WP:SIGCOV is the Hollywood Reporter article in the references. Separately, if this article is kept, the massive and overdetailed plot summaries will need to be rectified. Ed[talk][OMT]20:02, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I agree with Ed. In addition, Driebergen is not notable for serving in the military. Two sources merely mention service, as a corporal, with no details. The other is a local source behind a paywall and even if a single minor incident contributed to notability (almost certainly doesn't in this case, even though admirable), there is no significant coverage of it. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history#What topics do we cover? Note 3. Donner60 (talk) 20:34, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Discarding the socks, the anons voting via proxy servers, and the clearly canvassed, drive-by voters, I see no consensus to delete. Please do not renominate for six months. Owen×☎08:12, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN, At first glance it looks like a news site, it is not formulated as an article. Lobogamio (talk) 23:51, 15 June 2025 (UTC) struck confirmed blocked sockpuppet, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:09, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails GNG and NMUSICIAN. The mere act of releasing an album is not a guarantee of notability, and I see nothing otherwise that would do so. As written, the article fails all 12 of the NMUSICIAN criteria. As far as GNG, of the three sources that are there, the first is a blogspot link, which fails RS. The second source only established year of birth and where he went to school, neither of which establish notability. The third source appears to be some sort of celebrity digital media site, and whether it's reliable is probably up for debate. The fact that this article is getting filled with sources that aren't establishing anything other than basic data, and was started by an editor who otherwise does nothing but make large numbers of small formatting edits (like removing middle initials from wikilinks), and has a number of edits that are causing the user to get talkpage notices tells me there's a potential WP:CIR issue here. 146.115.58.160 (talk) 17:58, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While I don't doubt the primary claims about sourcing, I don't think your claims about the editor who created are necessarily accurate or relveant.
For example the claim about "otherwise does nothing but make large numbers of small formatting edits" seems not only an unnecessary attack, as AfD should be considering primarily the article. But it also appears inaccurate, as they are informed (on their talk page) that an article they have created is "in the news", which means I am unsure as to why you have decided this may be a WP:CIR issue (as the comments on their talk page suggest some level of comptency in creating articles). Emily.Owl ( she/her • talk) 18:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to get pedantic, the "in the news" was for an article the user updated (not created), and that update consisted solely of changing the infobox template used (for some unknown reason) and adding a reference to a Fox News article for date of death, which was subsequently removed by another editor. The user neither created nor substantially contributed to that article, and the rest of the talk page is full of warnings about infobox editing, contentious topics editing, lack of RS, etc. I would also note the user generally has no edits over 200 bytes in length (most of which are mobile edits), and when the user created Assistant Secretary of Defense for Cyber Policy, the actual listbox in the article says "space policy" (which I fixed). So I would say that yes, it's relevant because the user has problems with basic editing and proofing. 146.115.58.160 (talk) 19:13, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify, I have been able to find some sources with English translations (of dubious quality but at least the gist can be understood) that provide some sort of analysis of his work (such as this one), although not being particularly involved in music specific articles and policy I am unsure if this would simply count as routine coverage or might impart at least some notability. The same news agency discusses what was intended to be his attendance to a festival and collaboration with other artists here, although this one I'm far doubtful of meaningfully contributing. As such, having excluded use of obituaries, I think that someone more dedicated (and who can read Indonesian) may be able to find further sourcing for notability, and thus draftification such that more work can be done may be suitable although I can also understand the reasons for deletion and hold no fundemental opposition to it.. Emily.Owl ( she/her • talk) 18:11, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: to assess changes later in the AfD Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891TalkWork15:05, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as there are now enough reliable sources showing significant coverage referenced in the article to enable a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:24, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist to assess the sources added since nomination. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen×☎12:59, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. After reviewing all the sources, it's clear they do not support notability under either WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. The WP:SIGCOV of the subject is in unreliable sources (non-bylined articles in sources considered dodgy per WP:RSN), and what coverage the subject has had in reliable sources is not WP:SIGCOV. YouTube YouTube is not a reliable source 200.46.55.124 (talk) 01:23, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: in my non-professional, non-Indonesian reading (without translators), I think we have enough sources now to show that he was notable. I want to note that while blogs are usually not considered Reliable Sources, blogging platforms such as Blogspot are often used as cheap ways to make official websites in many non-Western countries. Moritoriko (talk) 07:29, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Draft:Jordan Pratt was created in draft space, as judicial nominees are not inherently notable. The creating user evidently copied the draft article and pasted it in article space. That user appears to have been around long enough to know better. The article is not ready to move from draft space and even if it was, it should have been moved, not copy/pasted, to preserve the edit history. Safiel (talk) 04:02, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this article and keep the draft. Traditionally, we only accept articles for American federal circuit judges once approved by the Senate. If this nominee is approved, we can move the draft into project space. --A. B.(talk • contribs • global count)17:54, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Query While he does indeed appear not to be sufficiently notable yet, the statement that this was cut-and-pasted from the draft doesn't appear to be borne out. Compare the draft as of 25 June (most recent edit), and the article as posted 30 June. There is very little overlap - only that that could be reasonably expected from working from the same sources - and the draft has much more content. @Safiel: who nominated, @BD2412: who !voted based largely on that. - The BushrangerOne ping only04:41, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As a long-standing Wikipedia practice, federal judicial nominees are not presumed notable until Senate confirmation from what i have seen that is. The draft version is intact and can be properly moved to mainspace if and when confirmation occurs. Additionally, concerns about potential GFDL violations in how this was moved reinforce deletion as the correct course of action. Icem4k (talk) 13:52, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. The article is sourced solely to databases and a promotional, non-independent source. The subject has been mentioned 55 times in Swiss media, but these are mostly passing mentions in routine reporting on team matches. Oddly enough, this article fails to mention that the subject was banned for four years for doping with meldonium[22], which was covered in an SDA wire story. Toadspike[Talk]14:45, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - There's a lot of substantial coverage, but most of it seems routine:
Sportskeeda is considered generally unreliable (WP:SPORTSKEEDA). Brave CF and PFL are not independent sources, as they are the ones organizing the fights they're writing about here. The rest is of varying quality, but between an article without a byline [23], a match summary that confuses Switzerland with Sweden [24], an interview (not independent, as these are all the subject's own words) [25], a summary of his social media posts [26], and some others consisting of a blend between match reports and social media posts, it is very hard to see these providing enough secondary coverage of Kadimagomaev to count towards the GNG. Toadspike[Talk]08:46, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Currently ranked #551 by fightmatrix.com so obviously not close to meeting WP:NMMA. Lacks the coverage needed to meet WP:GNG. Fight results, databases, and announcements by organizations/promotions he's fight in/for do not constitute significant independent coverage. Even the article that mentions his four year suspension for doping is essentially just a passing mention in a short article mentioning suspensions of athletes in several sports. Papaursa (talk) 17:26, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Seen it Thanks Frank Anchor. Actually, I think I forgot about that NFC Championship meeting. I am not taking any side myself, but if anyone wants to be kept and the discussion closed quickly, than vote Speedy Keep so we can get this over and done with. (Disclaimer: This is not any attempt to endorse any side). I know there have been previous withdrawals over rivalries in other sports, but I should give others a chance to see it first. Servite et contribuere (talk) 18:15, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I don't understand the statement in the deletion nomination of "Mostly centred around playoffs." Some very notable rivalries have been mostly centered on rivalries. In this particular case, my own perception is that this isn't very notable - certainly the 2009 and 2017 playoff games contribute, and maybe the overtime 2019 wild card game, but otherwise not much in more than half a century. On the other hand, the previous nomination found a few reliable sources that refer to this as a rivalry, so my inclination is weak keep. Rlendog (talk) 19:25, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rlendog I'm not going to vote myself, but if you don't understand the statement, I honestly feel like this is a keep argument. I personally feel like withdrawing, but I am not going to. I do feel like unless someone else argues to delete, it should not be re-listed and should be closed as a poorly judged nomination. I personally feel a bit embarrassed. But the truth is, we all make mistakes. And the best thing about mistakes is that we can learn from our mistakes. Servite et contribuere (talk) 07:59, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also don't think this is the best worded nomination. Plenty of rivalries center around playoff matchups. Also, the links provided by BeanieFan in the prior AfD are still good to use in this article. Conyo14 (talk) 16:20, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I examined the sources shown by BeanieFan11 in the last AfD which demonstrate that this recurring event easily passes WP:NEVENT notability criteria, and I say this as someone who is extremely skeptical of sports "rivalry" articles as they are often ref-bombed with WP:ROUTINE match reporting. BeanieFan11's sources individually provide a broad overview-level historical analysis spanning many years, which is a textbook definition of WP:SECONDARY coverage. Left guide (talk) 04:48, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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All the information I can find on this museum seems to be pages from before 2010 announcing the design contest, winning design and plans. I have been unable to find any sign that the construction has been completed or is still ongoing, and the page for the architect (Zaha Hadid) states that this project is on hold. I have found no information that indicates that work is planned to resume at some point and given that all the information I can find is 15+ years old think this fails WP:FUTURE Giuliotf (talk) 11:34, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Long-stalled project that did not attain sufficient coverage while it was in development. No indication it will restart any time soon. No viable AtD StarMississippi19:23, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. There is no consensus about whether there is sufficient secondary sourcing or sustained coverage. A clear source analysis would be helpful if a future AfD is ever brought. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:32, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fails WP:EVENTCRIT #4 and evidence of WP:LASTING impact is lacking. All sources cited in the article were published within days of the accident except for the NTSB report and avherald.com summary, which are both WP:ROTM. Aviation journals published some minor and heavily qualified speculation about the landing gear shimmy damper during the investigation (example), but the final NTSB report did not uncover any airworthiness issues with the MD-80 generally, and did not draw any firm conclusions about RED Air's maintenance practices because "... the physical breach of the [shimmy damper] reservoir inflicted during the gear collapse... precluded evaluation of whether the damper was properly serviced." We're left with a minor non-fatility hull loss attributed to an unexceptional mechanical failure with no solidly provable cause. Adequately summarized in the Miami International Airport and McDonnell Douglas MD-80 articles. Carguychris (talk) 13:46, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: A plane having a runway excursion with no landing gear isn't common and can lead to fatal results like the Jeju crash. There is sustain coverage with some sources here:
Also, someone feature this accident in one of their analysis papers. All the other accidents it talked about have Wikipedia articles. Also, there was a lawsuit.
A plane having a runway excursion with no landing gear isn't common and can lead to fatal results like the Jeju crash. The RED Air plane had landing gear, it just didn't work properly. Not every uncommon event is notable, and the fact that something could be fatal does not establish notability either. Plenty of runway excursions aren't notable (e.g., AA Flight 70 and AA Flight 1187). This crash has little in common with Jeju Air Flight 2216 other than the fact that both involved an airliner and a runway. This crash is by all accounts a simple case of unexceptional mechanical failure.
The AviationPros article is exactly the type of vapid speculation that I discounted in my nomination. ("WHAT will the final report say? EXPERTS wonder!") Another example of why WP:NOTNEWS exists as Wikipedia policy.
While interesting at first glance, the DT article you linked makes a whole series of spurious assertions about the NTSB report that obviously aren't true if you read it (e.g., RED Air was acting as a front for a Venezuelan airline in violation of regulations; the NTSB is completely silent on this). I'm unfamiliar with Dominican Today, but the obvious factual problems with the article tempt me to discount DT as a source.
The fact that there is a lawsuit is WP:ROTM. Airline crashes attract lawsuits like rabbits and squirrels attract my dog Penny (she's obsessed). This is the reason WP:AV consensus is not to mention lawsuits except in unusual circumstances. The fact that I can't find any secondary source discussing Fernandez v. RED AIR is a major indication that such circumstances do not exist.
Hey, why didn't you acknowledge the essay that was written at a university. It was about impact of baggage collection during evacuation of the aircraft. This accident was one of the few that was chosen to write about and in fact it featured an image of passengers evacuating from this plane in the essay. Surely this shows continued notability.
one of the things that can either make or break an article's notability is to see if anybody has written anything about the subject. Many crashes that are considered more notable have no essay written about it or at least make some mention of it. Zaptain United (talk) 22:55, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's literally only mentioned twice with no significant coverage of the crash: After this episode, a number of related incidents occurred around the world during which passengers stopped to collect luggage during the evacuation process. Specific examples of note include Emirates Flight EK521 (August 3, 2016, Dubai, UAE [5]), Aeroflot Flight 1492 (May 5, 2019, Sheremetyevo, Russia, 41/78 pax killed [6]), and RED Air Flight 203 (June 21, 2022, Miami, USA [7]). ... Figure 1: Screengrab taken from footage of the RED Air Flight 203 incident, which shows passengers with large carry-on bags post-evacuation.Aviationwikiflight (talk) 16:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep: Per what Zaptain said, and for an MD-82 to crash land with fire at a very big airport (Miami International) with injuries is already a big factor for an article, also did lots of research on both youtube and google about this crash and can confirm that notability is strong here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Megabyte21 (talk • contribs) 08:11, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...for an MD-82 to crash land with fire at a very big airport (Miami International) with injuries is already a big factor for an article... did lots of research on both youtube and google about this crash and can confirm that notability is strong... Your assertion is broadly incorrect. What matters to establish notability is quality WP:LASTING coverage in WP:RELIABLE secondary sources. Per WP:NOTNEWS, spectacular and hysterical news coverage in the immediate aftermath of an event is discounted, and YouTube videos constitute WP:OR except in unusual circumstances. Carguychris (talk) 16:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ok then delete this article then since you really want to. Already got nominated for deletion before where everyone but 1 voted keep. Megabyte21 (talk) 10:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Non-notable news story without sustained significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. Keep !votes offer reasons why it feels notable, but not why the sourcing justifies covering this in its own article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸05:09, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to bring those articles to AfD if you think they're not notable and we'll discuss it there, but for now, the discussion is on whether or not RED Air Flight 203 is notable and not whether the two accidents you mentioned are notable. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 07:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:EVENTCRIT – Per WP:GNG, "sources should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability". From what I've been able to find, none of the sources were secondary since none of them contained analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the event itself other than initial (unfounded) speculation. The event does not have in-depth nor sustainedcontinued coverage of the event itself with coverage only briefly occurring in the aftermath of the accident and after the release of the final report. No lasting effects or long-term impacts on a significant region have been demonstrated. WP:EVENTCRIT#4 states that routine kinds of news events including most accidents – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance, which this event lacks per the above. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 07:21, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Atleast take a good look at the previous nomination since someone decided to nominate this article for deletion 1,083 days from then. Megabyte21 (talk) 07:32, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I asked for this to be relisted after an initial redirect close. Those arguing WP:LASTING is not met are incorrect, and that's the only reason why this article is up for deletion. I have posted a Washington Post article from a month after the event and a Dominican article from 2023, but there are other sources as well, including a Miami Herald article that was updated in August 2022 and many different articles from the Dominican Republic over the course of years: [29][30][31][32][33][34][35]. The Miami Herald also wrote 10 different feature stories about this incident, I will admit almost all of them were over the course of the week following the event, but that further demonstrates this was a significant incident. SportingFlyerT·C17:48, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note that WP:LASTING refers to lasting effects, not lasting coverage (the better link would be WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE). Articles from the same source only count as one. So even if the Miami Herald wrote 10 or more stories on the accident, they would only count as one. The same also goes for Diario Libre. Next, none of these news sources are secondary since none of them contain analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis. (See WP:PRIMARYNEWS for more information.) We need retrospective sources providing analysis to establish notability. For example, this is just a regurgitation of the NTSB's final report. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 18:33, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Two things are wrong there. First, we typically mean WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE when we mean WP:LASTING, because the way WP:LASTING is written does not preclude any articles from being written - it currently reads that if an event had a lasting impact, it is probably notable. Furthermore, it doesn't fail #4 because it meets #2: Events are also very likely to be notable if they have widespread (national or international) impact and were very widely covered in diverse sources, especially if also re-analyzed afterwards... And this is clearly above and beyond PRIMARY news, as well as [36] (short) and [37]. #4 is also odd to apply when an event is picked up internationally in multiple different languages such as [38][39][40] (which is discussion of the company as well, not breaking news.) There's also additional continued coverage from another Dominican newspaper not already shown here: [41]
We're not here to judge the importance of a plane crash after a final report is released. We're simply here to identify whether there's enough sourcing for a stand-alone article, and there clearly is. SportingFlyerT·C21:25, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@SportingFlyer I have added my vote for a weak keep below, however I feel a stronger argument could be made for sustained coverage. Are there any other articles beyond those that have already been linked in this AfD that show this? 11WB (talk) 05:40, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This doesn't add anything other than regurgitating the contents of the NTSB's files. There's no analysis in this article; these articles, this and this, are majoritarily about the airline RED Air (which would probably establish the airline's notability but not the accident itself); this article from the Miami Herald is interesting, but other than giving us an explanation of how the investigation will be conducted, it doesn't offer any analysis of any sort; this article and this article are just contemporary news reporting on the accident; this is just a regurgitation of the NTSB's preliminary report that doesn't offer any analysis or commentary. Something interesting to note is that the Miami Herald hoes not have a single article covering the crash after 1 July 2022. [42]
Events are also very likely to be notable if they have widespread (national or international) impact and were very widely covered in diverse sources, especially if also re-analyzed afterwards. – The key wording here is "likely to be notable". For one, there was no "widespread" national or international impact as a result of this crash. And although it was very widely covered in diverse sources, the majority of them talked about the crash in the initial aftermath of the accident (WP:NOTNEWS), and those that did later cover the crash did not reanalyse it. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 08:46, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is useful to know, thank you. I am uncertain for the moment, however the sheer number of different reports that exist pushes me toward a weak keep rather than redirection/deletion. Earlier in this AfDs conversation, SF did link some reports that showed sustained coverage (in 2023 at least). If any do exist, whether written in other languages, from 2024 through to now, I think a case can be made for the point on sustained coverage. 11WB (talk) 11:18, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I did do a Google search using advanced search to limit results to those from the last year. This showed up, however this does not provide anything more to what we already know exists. There is also the paper I mentioned below, however I think this particular argument has been exhausted in this AfD. The only other ones I could find are user-generated sites such as YouTube, Tiktok and Reddit, none of which are usable. 11WB (talk) 11:25, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The impact does not need to be "widespread" in order for there to be a valid Wikipedia article on the topic. In this case, there was a hull loss of a major passenger jet at a major international airport where fortunately everyone was able to survive. The event was covered in international press in many languages on the day it happened including several "live blogs" and has been in the news in the Dominican Republic for years, with additional commentary. I have absolutely no idea why people are concluding this is "routine." Whether or not an event is notable does not hinge on NTSB recommendations. SportingFlyerT·C13:48, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"The impact does not need to be "widespread" in order for there to be a valid Wikipedia article on the topic." You copied criterion #2 of WP:EVENTCRIT in your comment which read "Events are also very likely to be notable if they have widespread (national or international) impact and were very widely covered in diverse sources, especially if also re-analyzed afterwards." Did the crash and hull loss of RED Air's MD-80 have a "widespread" impact, nationally or internationally? As far as I can tell, that answer would be no. Just because an event was covered by the media, had liveblogs, etc... doesn't mean it is automatically notable. We need secondary sources/analyses to establish notability and for now, we have none. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 14:14, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It actually literally did have an international impact as evidenced by the Miami Herald article as it closed an international airport :D But a hull loss of a commercial aircraft on a passenger flight is usually evidence enough of a substantial impact. Also what's our take on FlightGlobal? They had an article outlining the NTSB findings hereSportingFlyerT·C15:13, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure the temporary closure of an airport which may have caused a few flight delays qualifies as a "widespread" national or international impact. Did the (hull) loss of an MD-80 have a widespread national or international impact? Whilst FlightGlobal (which is a reliable source) does give us an explanation of what a shimmy is, like the other sources, it doesn't offer us much other than repeating what the NTSB wrote in their report. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 08:31, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, that link is further evidence for sustained coverage as it was published in 2024. My concern is that the arguments for redirection and deletion are extremely solid and (if including the votes from before the DRV) slightly outnumber the votes for keeping the article. This isn't to say the arguments for keeping are bad, rather I am currently uncertain about whether those arguments are strong enough to convince others to vote keep also. 11WB (talk) 17:24, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think they are solid. I think this is a clear and obvious keep given the coverage. EVENTCRIT #4 is to exclude generic news items which make the news every day. Applying the test of: In evaluating an event, editors should evaluate various aspects of the event and the coverage: the impact, depth, duration, geographical scope, diversity and reliability of the coverage, as well whether the coverage is routine - hull loss, closed an airport; multiple papers went in depth about it; duration was short, but duration of coverage spans years; initially reported worldwide, sustained coverage was international; coverage is clearly from major international publications; and then the "routine" bit. At WP:ROUTINE, the most applicable sentence is "run-of-the-mill events—common, everyday, ordinary events that do not stand out—are probably not notable." I honestly don't know how anyone can argue this was a common, everyday, ordinary event. SportingFlyerT·C17:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
AWF's reasoning for redirection seems to be about analysis of the incident from secondary sources, of which there are either none we know of currently or very few. Along with this, there is minimal sustained coverage. I agree with you however this incident is indeed WP:N, and has enough to stand on its own without being labelled as WP:ROUTINE. My personal opinion is that this incident just about qualifies for being kept. This article's status has clearly been discussed at great length already, so I'm unsure what an agreeable middle ground can be (between keep and delete) other than redirection. 11WB (talk) 18:43, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would say the article could be returned to draft for improvements and to make a stronger case for itself as a standalone. Unfortunately, I think it might be slightly too late for that discussion this far into the AfD. 11WB (talk) 18:56, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you think sustained coverage was minimal? Miami Herald wrote several articles over a week, the Washington Post covered it weeks later, Dominican papers have been covering it for years, the NTSB report release was reported widely. There's lots of coverage of this incident. Furthermore, I'm not sure we're interpreting WP:PRIMARYNEWS correctly here (and it's an essay, mind you), since an article that the NTSB report is released would be primary for the purposes of the NTSB report, but potentially secondary for purposes of analysis of the plane crash. SportingFlyerT·C18:56, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I believe it was said by AWF in this AfD previously that, "Articles from the same source only count as one. So even if the Miami Herald wrote 10 or more stories on the accident, they would only count as one. The same also goes for Diario Libre. Next, none of these news sources are secondary since none of them contain analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis. (See WP:PRIMARYNEWS for more information.) We need retrospective sources providing analysis to establish notability." Unfortunately, this means despite the substantial number, from one reporter, they would be coalesced into one source and not the actual total amount (to my understanding anyway). 11WB (talk) 19:05, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't matter, though. WP:DEPTH just makes sure we don't base articles off of a single newspaper, while we have a wide variety of sources we can quote I'm only mentioning the Miami Herald's depth of coverage because the number of articles published on the incident by just that newspaper alone clearly goes beyond routine. SportingFlyerT·C20:34, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep (Not opposing redirect, however I match SF and other keep votes as my priority): I have read this AfD and the article. There appears to be a lot of different opinions on whether the article should be deleted, kept or redirected. There are many references, and many more that are linked in this AfD. Dependant on how much is said of the incident in these articles, I don't think the amount of references is an issue, rather the content in said references per WP:COVERAGE. I think this incident passes WP:N in my eyes. The article appears to be fine in terms of reading and covering what took place, along with the investigations of the incident. For anyone interested, there is actually footage at 2:55 of this video on YouTube. I wouldn't oppose a redirection, but the article appears to serve its purpose without needing one, therefore I'm voting for a weak keep at this time. I am certainly interested to see where this AfD goes. 11WB (talk) 00:30, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. News regurgitation of an NTSB report is exactly the kind of coverage disregarded by our various guidelines on source independence and secondariness. The DL pieces provide no further analysis of the primary reports and therefore are not sufficiently secondary. This was a ROTM event that just does not have the sustained SIGCOV for a standalone. JoelleJay (talk) 04:22, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would ordinarily agree, however this particular incident (despite the, thankful, lack of fatalities) does actually have pretty substantial international coverage. Along with this, reference is made to the crash in this paper published about 9 months later. It is referenced alongside Aeroflot Flight 1492 and Emirates Flight 521. These incidents in this paper seem to discuss passenger baggage specifically (I plan to read the paper when I get the time as it looks interesting). The Wikipedia article itself is well written and this paper from Northumbria University could be an interesting point of reference once a peer review takes place. I think this gives the article more reason to exist rather than being subjected to a redirect (along with SF, MB21 and ZU's points above). 11WB (talk) 05:05, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm currently sticking to keep personally, however there are strong arguments for redirection, so it will be interesting to see where this AfD goes from here. 11WB (talk) 05:06, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was mentioned, yes, but it doesn't contain any significant coverage of the accident other than a mention and a photo description (Figure 1: Screengrab taken from footage of the RED Air Flight 203 incident, which shows passengers with large carry-on bags post-evacuation). Aviationwikiflight (talk) 05:09, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for this. I see the conversation from June between yourself and ZU. This is an on-the-fence one for me. It is very close. I am somebody however who advocates for keeping an article if there is enough of a case for it. Which I think in this particular one there is (in my own view anyway). Both sides present very reasonable and logical arguments. 11WB (talk) 05:13, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Looking at Xtools, it appears the most major article contributors were never informed on their respective talk pages about this AfD. I am currently making sure they are per WP:AFDHOWTO. (If this violates any rules please let me know!) 11WB (talk) 19:37, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment : This accident does have sustain coverage because FlightGlobal made an article on it 2 years after the accident.
I am surprised this was brought back after a month. Although I am glad because when it was ended, it was decided to redirect it despite the amount of keep votes and delete/redirect votes being even. Zaptain United (talk) 20:15, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This has certainly been the most interesting AfD relating to aviation that I've participated in yet. I have notified a few of the authors (those with over 10% contributed on the article - those in Xtools Top 5) about the relisting. I've made sure to not violate the WP: CANVASSING policy, by remaining neutral. These authors were either never notified originally or were not notified of the relisting. I have now made sure this is done. 11WB (talk) 20:47, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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It's fail to show notability. I didn't found any articles which increases notability of the actor. All are paid and are from independent sources.— Preceding unsigned comment added by DivitNation (talk • contribs)
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Keep - FEC(ml) was a notable phenomenon in Portuguese politics, covered in plenty of book sources, and obtained 0.58% of the national vote. --Soman (talk) 15:48, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The short answer is that the FEC was launched by the OCMLP after fall of the dictatorship to participate in the ongoing social revolution and formation of the new government, while the FEC was mostly active in France due to political exile, although it did have a surprising and notable presence in the traditionally conservative north of Portugal. They are closely related, just not quite the same. The main reason they should have seperate articles is to avoid confusion in election articles. Ike Lek (talk) 09:31, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Well-reasoned arguments on both sides from knowledgeable editors, but after a month, consensus failed to materialize. Owen×☎18:04, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Mine collapses that kill 29 people aren't very routine. I don't think point 4 should be read this expansively, this seems notable. Reywas92Talk20:33, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SUSTAINED. Only secondary sources contribute to GNG. Wikipedia is not a news aggregator. Death count is not a factor in determining notability. Anyone is welcome to add a history section to Bolaang Mongondow Regency and add a mention of this, or to create a list of mine collapses and add this as an item in the list. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸19:40, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:EVENTCRIT – Per WP:GNG, "sources should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability". From what I've been able to find, none of the sources were secondary since none of them contained analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the event itself. The event does not have in-depth nor sustainedcontinued coverage of the event itself with coverage only briefly occurring in the aftermath of the accident. No lasting effects or long-term impacts on a significant region have been demonstrated. WP:EVENTCRIT#4 states that routine kinds of news events including most accidents – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance, which this event lacks per the above. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 08:26, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I mulled this one over a bit, but I think it clears the standard. This September 2024 article from AP describes this particular collapse as especially bad relative to more recent illegal gold mine collapses in Indonesia. On its own, that strikes me as suggesting there is a cultural memory of this event that was still salient five years after the fact. While the article as written feels like it runs afoul of NOTNEWS, I think the subject is in fact notable. ~ Pbritti (talk) 05:37, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This was an awful accident, reading this article was upsetting. This had a lot of news coverage in Indonesia from a brief skim of the references, I also spotted a BBC News report. Based on other people's comments, I feel that this does slightly have greater notability than Point 4 of WP:EVENTCRITERIA. I think with some more international news references, fixing the dead link reference and expanding the article a bit, this should be kept. 11WB (talk) 02:00, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: A mine collapse killing 29 has implications for the illegal mine company. The incident was also retrosprectively written about [43][44]. Vanaa1 (talk) 01:48, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if I'll have time to run through my own review of the sources today, but as currently documented in our guidelines, WP:ROUTINE is not about an editor's own judgement of the significance of a particular event, but the nature of the coverage of that event, i.e. [...] and other items that tend to get an exemption from newsworthiness discussions should be considered routine. The referenced AP coverage on this event is 2 sentences, of a total of 28 words: In February 2019, a makeshift wooden structure in an illegal gold mine in North Sulawesi province collapsed partly due to shifting soil. More than 40 people were buried. I'd consider it a stretch to say it counts as an example of an event being re-analyzed afterwards. Certainly, it's awful that it happened, but fatalities unlicensed and illegal mining operations seem unfortunately common in Indonesia and just because it is referenced (as opposed to analysed) by RS after the fact doesn't mean we would be able to write an article on it. (q.v. WP:PRIMARY and WP:SECONDARY, cf. also Al Jazeerareferencing a 2001 collapse in 2022) Unfortunately, we do not currently have an Illegal mining in Indonesia or similar more general article to smerge or redirect into, which would otherwise be my recommendation. Alpha3031 (t • c) 09:02, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete, without objection to a redirect to any plausible target. I've went through the sources I've been able to find, and they all fail the test set out at WP:ROUTINE / WP:SBST, even if editors consider the event itself a significant one. The AP article does not in fact describe this particular collapse as especially bad or provide, as I mentioned above, anything beyond a trivial mention of the event, and that editors are even tempted to ascribe analysis, to sources, that does not exist in them is quite damning, in my opinion. As for the other two sources, the KronikToday is someone recounting their personal experience, a WP:PRIMARY source if I've seen one, and Zona Totabuan only mentions this collapse briefly in the paragraph starting Peristiwa ini, as best as I could tell. Another source covering a 2024 collapse from Antara also mentions this one, but it's really no better than the AP. I do not believe the alternative is a plausible interpretation of our guidelines. Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:06, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There seems to be a missed element in this appraisal of the AP source. The AP source lists the collapse in a sequence of major collapses, indicating a particularly grievous severity. The commentary is not novel to editors, but present in the source listed above. The discovered sources mentioned in the last continuance seem pretty adequate to separately support notability; I can't see any reason to dismiss them. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:38, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but I'm not adding commentary to the article. I'm discussing how RSs have presented this and repeatedly indicated there is a particular severity behind this event. It would be OR if I added such commentary to the article, but it's within bounds for an AfD discussion. Again, the other sources do enough lifting that singling out the AP source as though it were the only coverage misses the point in my opinion. ~ Pbritti (talk) 12:46, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Like the recently AfD's Doctor Who: Access All Areas, this is another similar program covering behind the scenes info for Doctor Who series 10. A search yields no coverage for this show, only being WP:ROUTINE recaps of production info revealed on the program and TRIVIALMENTIONs in articles focused on Christel Dee, where they briefly mention she was the past host. There are no reviews or any noteworthy reception, nor an indication of any impact I can find. I'd suggest a redirect or merge to Series 10, given it's the most closely associated subject. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 04:40, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Doctor Who series 10. No significant coverage. Two of the references are permanently dead links while two other links are duplicates. The last link is just a YouTube website which doesn't grant any notability for this standalone article. Galaxybeing (talk) 05:39, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Gangs in Australia. As Cameron Dewe correctly points out, WP:TNT is not a policy-based deletion criterion. By !voting "delete per TNT", participants are effectively saying, "The subject meets our notability guidelines, but the content needs rewriting". The way to address that is by editing, whittling down the content to a well-sourced stub, if needed. Sadly, AfD is often the only way to resolve a content dispute, and it seems that is the case here. As such, I see a consensus that a redirect is the preferred solution at this point. Any editor is welcome to submit a new draft to AfC, which if accepted, can be history-merged to replace the redirect, preserving attribution. Owen×☎17:59, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I BLAH'd this to Gangs in Australia and was reverted. This page is an mess of original research seeking to force every Australian gang, regardless of whether they are notable, into some category. There's a section for Hispanic gangs, as if that's a term we use in Australia. The Honoured Society, The Carlton Crew and various other ethnic groups are lumped in with White Supremacists. Lebanese gangs are called mafia (which the sources don't state), and lumped in with Triads and Tongs. Gangs are labelled as being "Indigenous-based", regardless of what the sources say, because hey we're already doing a tonne of original research, why not keep going.
I'm coming here seeking consensus to either WP:TNT it or to restore the redirect to Gangs in Australia.
Ps, there is a discussion currently at Talk:List_of_gangs_in_Australia#RfC:_somewhat_racist_framing which led me to BLAH it in the first place. TarnishedPathtalk12:56, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I have to say that I agree with the nominator that this article is extremely problematic, to the point where WP:TNT is warranted. There is little of substance here that isn't already present in Gangs in Australia from what I can see, so I don't feel bad about not leaving a redirect either. If a reader really wants to see them laid out in bullet list form, that's what Category:Gangs in Australia is for after all. MediaKyle (talk) 18:40, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The "post code gangs" section might be worth copying to the other page? I've not looked at it closely enough to see if the sources support what it says, but suburbs are at least a lot less subjective than the other categories, and that section has more detail. 2405:6E00:62F:F7D5:AD8E:344B:5FEC:BC07 (talk) 00:35, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Because deletion is not clean-up and WP:TNT does not solve the problem, either. A redirect just kicks the can down the road until somebody decides to resurrect this list, which is notable, in my opinion. The problem with the article is that it lacks any inclusion/exclusion criteria for what is a gang in the Australian context. I have already identified this issue on the talk page. Various Australian state legislatures have passed legislation that names various entities as "gangs", but without a definition of what is a gang in the Australian context, editors have seen fit to conduct original research to add any group of people that call themselves a "gang" to this list without having any consideration for notability and social attitudes. This list should be limited to included gangs that are notable enough to be named in Australian state or federal legislation, or perhaps otherwise recognized by law enforcement agencies as a (criminal) gang that has been subjected to law enforcement activities as an entity in its own right, not just the individual gang members being treated as criminals. As a minimum, the listed gangs should each have their own article. The article might also benefit from being renamed to clarify its scope, but that is a separate discussion. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 08:50, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some editors cited WP:DINC last time this was up for discussion. In that time (almost three years), the article hasn't been cleaned up. So yes, WP:TNT would solve that problem as it would remove an article that has been and is likely to continue being a very bad example of what Wikipedia has to offer. Likewise a redirect would solve the problem as it would lead readers to an article which is of better quality. Per WP:NOPAGE notability does not guaranteee an article and in this circumstance the best outcome would be to either nuke it, and start anew or redirect to an article that isn't a complete mess and which has some overlap with the list. TarnishedPathtalk10:17, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If there is no good quality list page, then a list section on the Gangs in Australia page makes more sense than keeping a list page that's terrible. Being part of that page also gives room to explain any categories and include references to justify them being included as a category. 2405:6E00:62F:F7D5:AD8E:344B:5FEC:BC07 (talk) 00:29, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The "post code gangs" section might be worth keeping. That seems more factual and less opinionated, and has more detail, but I haven't looked at it very closely. The rest is a mess. The rest of the page tries to put everything into an ethnic categories with notes like "predominantly Lebanese", categorises things in ways that aren't locally relevant like "Hispanic", and it combines a weird mix of organised crime gangs and politically motivated hate groups like Soldiers of Odin. Some groups are on the border between crime gang and hate group, but that needs more than a dot point to cover properly. 2405:6E00:62F:F7D5:AD8E:344B:5FEC:BC07 (talk) 00:23, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Gangs in Australia per WP:TNT. I don’t think the issues with this page are fixable through normal editing and I don’t think there is really anything encyclopedic to salvage. This page is completely packed with BLP issues, OR, and problematic sourcing. To name just some of the issues:
The entire section on the Sunshine Coast either completely fails verification, or is based entirely on a single quote from an anonymous 21-year-old interviewed in 2008 — so the whole section is just one random young person's recounting of what youth gangs might have existed in the city seventeen years ago
Several entries are incredibly dubiously sourced. For instance, the claim that there are various "Bloods" and "Crips" sets in Australia is based on this source, which does not remotely support that claim
Several of the gangs mentioned in the "Asian, Triads & Tongs" section are sourced to a parliamentary report that mentions a 1992 report that said that members of those triads might be operating in Melbourne
The entries in the "Hispanic/Latino" section either fail verification, or are based on scaremongering stories about how Mexican cartels have become part of the Australian drug supply. This story, for instance, does not even mention the Sinaloa cartel
So best case, let’s say we cut every entry that is non-notable or unsourced. You’re still left with a significant number of entries that fail verification or are extremely dubiously sourced, as well as a racial/ideological classification system that is complete OR. Until someone is willing to verify each entry and fix this up properly, I don’t see why this topic can’t be adequately covered on the page Gangs in Australia. MCE89 (talk) 04:02, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Don't believe this topic is sustainable enough to warrant its own article, let alone seeing any sources to support the subject. GamerPro6404:03, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The idea that "notability guidelines don't apply to lists" is false, WP:NLIST exists. This list does not warrant its own page, and can be explained in Bemani easily. But given that there is a dearth of sources, I wouldn't even say merging is appropriate. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:27, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Doesn't seem to pass WP:NLIST where a description of notability recommendations can be found for lists. This doesn't seem to be discussed as a group in RS from what I found, and while some navigational purpose could be found, the list is entirely unreferenced and unverifiable, so the navigation could all be WP:OR, or even made up, for all we know. I don't think redirecting is appropriate as there is no list at the proposed target, and we shouldn't merge anything there without any verifiable sourcing to support it. -2pou (talk) 20:29, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Normally, there might be archived sources for footballers who spent most of their careers in the pre-internet era, but I'm not familiar with East Asian ones. Corresponding article on Japanese Wikipedia is just an unsourced dump. ⋆。˚꒰ঌClara A. Djalim໒꒱˚。⋆11:28, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per nom. Also, given the corresponding article on JAwp has the exact same sourcing, I doubt the ability to find any SIGCOV even in Japanese sources. Weirdguyz (talk) 16:40, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment Unclear, unlike your other quick fire AfD nominations and it does feel like you're just AfDing because an article is simply a stub. It feels like Yasuyuki Iwasaki might have a bit of notability from his Japanese wiki page, ja:岩崎泰之. However it's a little unclear to me. The Japanese article talks about his youth career then not that much into his senior football career. But to play at the level he did in the 1990s Japan is quite a feet, I suspect there maybe more on him, but I have no ability to do any kind of currect WP:BEFORE on the subject. Govvy (talk) 08:34, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These nominations were initially PRODs of mass-produced articles about Japanese players with few appearances, without sources present, by blocked users (Nameless User and Gonta-kun). If sources appear, as happened in this case, I will withdraw the nomination without any problem. Svartner (talk) 03:46, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. tardis.wiki is not a Wikimedia project, so there's no option to "transwiki" to it while preserving attribution/copyright. Owen×☎21:28, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A list of appearances by Daleks in a specific media type. Having researched this topic extensively, there is no individual coverage of the Daleks in this type of media, and any coverage of the Daleks in it is purely plot summary information. As it stands this list is an WP:INSIDISCRIMINATE failure. I'd suggest a redirect as an AtD to Dalek. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 04:42, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:NPOL and WP:NBASIC; never won an election and there is no non-routine coverage outside of his political candidacy. I didn't PROD because the creator has contested draftification of a different article. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 04:46, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment it seems the most interesting thing about this candidate is not even included in the article, that he is/was the leader of the Jharkhand State Students' Union and was detained in a protest over a recruitment exam. There seems to be WP:SIGCOV over this incident here, here, here. This is different than the event mentioned in the article. He apparently was detained for fighting against the police in 2023 as well. Article could be cleaned up but probably does not pass WP:GNG Nayyn (talk) 21:49, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I searched the internet archive, I searched Der Spiegel, I searched the Swiss Newspaper archive, I searched Google Books. The closest I found to sigcov was this passing mention in a multi-volume history of the city of Graz, though at least this confirms the name. I'm surprised not to have found anything more than this for an Austrian who was at the Munich Olympics, and am happy to my !vote open for a while in case someone else can find something. FOARP (talk) 15:28, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't oppose giving Beanie their requested additional week, but until they find something (and we have all done searches on this, it's not like we haven't searched it) I'm !voting Redirect. FOARP (talk) 15:09, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(and we have all done searches on this, it's not like we haven't searched it) – actually, I haven't had the chance to yet. I had been focusing on the other Austrian fencers mass AFDed and then realized there was another batch about to be deleted, and more and more and more noms were made so no, I haven't searched. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:18, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A redirect preserves the page history and will give you as much time as you or any other interested editor needs to find sources. Let'srun (talk) 15:53, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete He has one documentary under his belt (from 2012). It received positive reviews. However, there are no independent sources about him, and the documentary did not win major awards (the Wolper is a student award). He got one of ~170 Guggenheim grants and a Pew fellowship, but from what I can tell there is not a body of work even though it is alluded to in some blurbs. It is possible that the documentary might have enough sources, with articles in NY Times, LA Times, and Robert Ebert. Lamona (talk) 03:27, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep The documentary definitely seems notable, and I do think WP:DIRECTOR is basically met here, considering several of the articles about the documentary discuss Kendall's involvement. It's kind of borderline, but I do think the Guggenheim Fellowship is outside the scope of La Camioneta and indicates notability. hinnk (talk) 10:42, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails Notability. Nothing more than a promotional attempt . Sources are exclusively primary in the form of press releases or trivial mentions. WikiMentor01 (talk) 5:18, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
Delete - The article does not have enough WP:SIGCOV and lacks reliable secondary sources.
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I had a look for sources, but can't find anything substantial about this band to improve an article. The original version of this looks WP:G11ish, but it's been copyedited since then. More recently, editors have been reverting over an WP:A7 tag. If in doubt, come here to discuss, so that's what I'm doing. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)08:41, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I've rewritten this with added sources, including 2 extended articles. The rock mag coverage that they received back in the day has been patchily republished online in collected archives (and was probably all in Swedish); I believe I found enough to demonstrate that the band meets GNG, plus ResonantDistortion found a top 40 placement in a national chart (for their least discussed record!), so that adds a second criterion for keeping the article. Yngvadottir (talk) 03:02, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep- Not the same person. An offline source says they might be in Ramani Gabharu article. Pari Bibi has better sourcing, for one thing, and their biographies differ. On 19 March 2024, RexAnupam made unreferenced links to Ramani Gabharu, which has now been reverted.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 00:12, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I have fixed the link to the Portuguese article but that only has one cite whereas to show notability multiple cites are normally required Chidgk1 (talk) 11:45, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The Portuguese ML left around 1974 was a notable phenomenon, and redirecting other later parties just messes up all the chronology of events. It is difficult to find online material today, and these groups were clandestine or semiclandestine. --Soman (talk) 15:42, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep – Absolutely, under no circumstances get rid of the this article. Regardless of the page's current citations, I guarantee sources exist. This seems to lack any WP:BEFORE. Ike Lek (talk) 01:15, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: It would be helpful for those arguing to keep the article to identify pertinent sources rather than merely asserting they exist. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Left guide (talk) 04:45, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Sources provided above mention the group in passing as one of the affiliates of different individuals. Personally don't see how they fulfill WP:SIGCOV. Redirecting doesn't make sense to me here because neither proposed article speaks about this organisation in-depth (or at all), and there's no reasonable expectation that those articles should because this organisation was one of several constituent parts. Yue🌙21:31, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete, fails WP:ANYBIO. Appears to have been created and substantially edited by a number of anonymous IP editors, possible sock puppets, the majority of whom have been blocked from further editing. Dan arndt (talk) 05:17, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Yea that page is also a little sus. I'm unlikely to nominate myself (working on other things atm) but encourage others to grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 22:23, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I can't find any reference anywhere to an Armenian war of independence that took place in 1918. None of the article's sources (many of which are other Wikipedia articles) speak of any such war. ꧁Zanahary꧂02:09, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't look deeply, but it seems like the article describes real events but casts them in a fabricated pseudohistorical narrative—like, the Battle of Sardarabad is a real battle, and is described in this article, but it's part of World War I, not some "War of Independence of Armenia". ꧁Zanahary꧂02:46, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sometimes smaller wars can be part of bigger wars. Technically speaking, WW1 can be seen as a culmination of a bunch of smaller wars. It's not like the two sides were all allied with everyone on their side and at war with everyone on the other side. The article is POV biased at best and original research at worst, and either way it has (almost) no valid references, but it isn't a crazy take to say that the newly independent Transcaucasian Democratic Federative Republic was partly under Ottoman occupation when Armenian National Council (1917–18) organized their own independence campaign in a war that lead to the creation of an independent Armenian state for the first time in modern history. I certainly wouldn't classify Armenian independence forces as part of the Allied Powers just because they fought the Ottomans, especially since they split from the Russian Empire during the Russian Revolution.
If reliable secondary sources reify those battles and incidents into this said Armenian independence campaign of 1918, then yes, but otherwise it's just an editor's original grouping of historical events. ꧁Zanahary꧂03:46, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You need a source to support that. There are no sources anywhere that speak of a war of independence of Armenia, as part of WWI or otherwise. ꧁Zanahary꧂04:35, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I studied all this every detail that I could study to show the world the truth. Of course I understand that there is little about Armenians in world history, but believe me, I want my nation to be in world history and of course I am not writing lies but the truth that I want everyone to be able to study. I have not finished the article yet, but I think you will understand me. Armenia 1918-192 (talk) 03:47, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
well how to explain when I studied this period in world history and went to Wikipedia which had an article Armenian-Turkish war of 1918 but then it was deleted and basically I decided to make an article so that it would have a lot of information and a lot of truthful factors and I don't know what name to put so that the article wouldn't be deleted I worked for it for many days
if I would put the name as you told me, in my opinion it would not be creative, forgive me, I just want to give people knowledge and open a new stage in the development of history Armenia 1918-192 (talk) 04:32, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia doesn't really like creative names because it tries to look professional. I do appreciate your efforts, and believe you are trying to improve Wikipedia. I think the biggest issue with your article is that it cites other Wikipedia pages. I recommend going to the sources that the other pages use and using them instead. Also, pick a name used in at least one of your sources. That is less likely to get deleted. I see you had some issues with draft articles in the past, but that is the best way to stop them from being deleted while you are still working on them. These books might help you if you need somewhere to start. [45][46][47][48] and maybe this article [49] Let me know is you have any trouble accessing any of them, and feel free to reach out to me on my talk page if you need any help. I'm not the most experienced editor and I can be pretty busy so I might take some time to respond, but I'll do my best. Best of luck to you. Ike Lek (talk) 05:23, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you tell me what name I should put so that Wikipedia approves it
Use a name that sources use to refer to this group of historical events. If there is no name or treatment of this particular grouping as its own historical event or narrative, then it cannot have a Wikipedia article. ꧁Zanahary꧂05:51, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have seen no evidence that this historical grouping exists, so I would recommend this article be deleted and its factual material be integrated into articles about historically-validated and supported concepts and narratives, if they are not already. ꧁Zanahary꧂06:05, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, delete it. I've been working on this article for 4 days. I can't just delete it. I'm sorry, but I can only correct the title of the article. I don't know what else I can do. I'm confused. Armenia 1918-192 (talk) 06:11, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry you're confused. I'm not asking you to delete it; I am arguing for its deletion, and the Wikipedia community will weigh in and reach a consensus on what should happen to the article. Neither you nor I can unilaterally delete it; it's a group decision.The content of your article may have value, but if it does, that content needs to be moved to the page(s) concerning the relevant history, as described in reliable secondary sources. Right now, you've assembled a bunch of material under a basically made-up concept—the War of Independence in Armenia (1918). No historian says this happened. So we can't have an article on a war that no source refers to. ꧁Zanahary꧂06:16, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, if the article is to be kept, you also (first) need to show that reliable secondary sources treat this group of battles as one coherent thing—a war, a campaign, an uprising, something. Absent that, there can be no article. Proving that the constituent events (battles and so on) in this supposed war really happened does not suffice. ꧁Zanahary꧂06:54, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately not. You also need add sources that aren't Wikipedia. It can only be an article if you can find scholars talking about it, and you should use the name they use for it. Ike Lek (talk) 07:13, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not move articles that are at AfD; it breaks things in the AfD system. I've reverted the move. If the result of this AfD is 'keep', then the article can be moved if desired. - The BushrangerOne ping only00:59, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It would be good to find some WWI/Ottoman/Armenia-knowledgeabke editors who could take a look at the page and see if any of the content it covers is uncovered elsewhere and worth merging. ꧁Zanahary꧂23:47, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Sourcing is not good for this incredibly controversial biography. All sources are at best marginal when this is someone only known for extremely controversial acts that would need very high quality RS to include. Does not meet WP:NBIO. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:15, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These are all e-celebrity gossip news websites, I don't think they are the "high quality" sources Parakanyaa was talking about -- especially considering that the topic of this biography is solely known for being arrested once but never prosecuted for a quite tacky charge. V. S. Video (talk) 17:21, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I did my own WP:BEFORE and also saw fit to exclude from consideration non-RS mentioned above, and several more. I agree with nom's rationale. JFHJr (㊟) 04:48, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Subject fails to meet the WP:GNG because there isn't enough WP:SIGCOV. The only source is a database and other searches elsewhere didn't find the significant coverage needed for a standalone article, with only hits for unrelated athletes. I would recommend a redirect, but seeing as the subject participated in two Olympics, I don't see a clear target here. Let'srun (talk) 00:02, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The Guinean politician/trade-unionist of the 1960's and 70's, and the 2020's footballer, both with the same name, greatly complicate any searching, but they do show that Guineans with this name who are notable will show up in online searches. Nothing found for the judoka, however. FOARP (talk) 14:57, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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