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The result was delete‎. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jhonson Napoleon

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BLP of a businessman lacking any clear claim of notability and apparently not a GNG pass. Mccapra (talk) 23:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails GNG, wasn't able to find any reliable-source-looking-things that covered the subject of the article that were not thinly veiled press releases Noah 💬 00:13, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No notability. Read WP:MLL. If needed I can close this discussion. (I dont have deletion permissions however) ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Cooldudeseven7 join in on the tea talk 13:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:10, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swedes in Japan

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Only secondary sources about Swedes in Japan are about two individuals and don't discuss the phenomenon of Swedes living in Japan more widely in depth. Does not meet WP:GNG. AlexandraAVX (talk) 18:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: An informative, now adequately sourced article.--Ipigott (talk) 11:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY; expansion and additional sourcing show a WP:GNG pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:56, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Tel Aviv truck attack

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No information provided in the article besides from an infobox -Bloxzge 025 ツCanada — Preceding undated comment added 20:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: It happened right near the Glilot military base and Mossad headquarters and thirty injured is excessive by any attack especially in the standards of the modern world--Foetaldiner (talk) 22:24, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep: Very obviously notable. Just from a quick Google search, there is English coverage in Newsweek, ABC, and the NYPost, not to mention the Hebrew-language sources. Noah 💬 00:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Than can you improve it? Bloxzge 025 (talk) 02:13, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So WP:DINC? Killarnee (talk) 20:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to a related list. I doubt this will pass NEVENT, there are a lot of highly similar instances related to I/P and a lot don't. This doesn't show any signs it will receive future sigcov, and the burst of news coverage when it happens doesn't help notability PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: A body has been created. Borgenland (talk) 06:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Every incident that leads to someone dying is not notable. PARAKANYAA (talk) 07:11, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By our standards, many attacks are notable. Also, I believe Borgenland meant a body of an article. Not a corpse... gidonb (talk) 00:09, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some, but not all. PARAKANYAA (talk) 07:50, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many does NOT equal all. No contradiction whatsoever. gidonb (talk) 08:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is a notable incident due to the scale of casualties and significant global news coverage. Whizkin (talk) 19:24, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment — There are bad arguments on both sides here. I will note that "No information provided in the article besides from an infobox" is not a proper rationale for deleting an article nor foreign to the nominator. This article is not inherently notable because thirty people were injured, either. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't the number of injuries much larger? I found this claim: No information provided in the article besides from an infobox. Could you point us to the other claim? gidonb (talk) 02:37, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This is a very easy recommendation to make. There is global coverage and SIGCOV in Israel galore. With 40 injured this will also receive sustained coverage. Even with far less injuries. For good and bad, Israeli media and research go back to such events. Time and again. Also Speedy keep because the nomination defies AFDISNOTCLEANUP and SOFIXIT and no valid reason to delete was brought forward. Supporting a keep and a speedy keep, for different reasons, in the very same opinion as the outcome would be identical. gidonb (talk) 00:06, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Liz Read! Talk! 22:34, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mubarak Khwaja

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Tagged a long time a go as uncited. I found a source which describes him as a prince https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781315165172-20/jochid-ulus-roman-hautala but I don’t know the subject so not sure if the article is true or whether he is notable Chidgk1 (talk) 15:01, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of topics on the Portuguese Empire in Goa-Anjediva, Bombay-Bassein & the East Indies

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A list of topics related to the Portuguese colonial empire, but only the parts in the East Indies; I see little use for this as a list for navigational purposes when there is already the template {{Portuguese overseas empire}} and other methods of finding pages in this topic area. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 23:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Glen Campbell discography#Compilations and re-issues. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:17, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Glen Campbell Plays 12 String Guitar

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I couldn't find sources to add proving that it meets WP:NALBUM / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 21:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Achilleas Dimitriades

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BLP of an unsuccessful political candidate. He was eliminated after first round voting in which he got 8%. Fails WP:NPOL and not otherwise notable. Mccapra (talk) 21:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:19, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

StormEngineC

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Unreferenced since article's creation in 2012. Fails WP:GNG, no indication of notability.

Note: article creator's username and edit history indicates an undeclared WP:COI. Mika1h (talk) 21:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forwardism

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No sign that this neologism passes WP:NEO or for that matter WP:GNG. The word is used by BMW as a marketing tool and that's what a basic Google search finds (besides a bizarre fandom wiki). The Google books search is more interesting because it does get a few hits, but there's no indication that the word is used in the same sense in all of these contexts. There's certainly no source that studies it specifically as an ideology and no source that mentions "Advancementalism" as a synonym. Pichpich (talk) 20:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete At most it is fit for a wiktionary entry, but not an article on wikipedia. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 02:25, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, I don't think it's appropriate for Wiktionary either, since the definition given here doesn't seem to be agreed upon by solid sources. Pichpich (talk) 18:32, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete - nothing here.--Gronk Oz (talk) 05:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No consistent definition, no claim of notability Readingpro256 talk to me contribs 14:48, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 23:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tele Finland

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No refs on the page and the claims don't appear to be easily WP:V. Could be redirected to Telia Company but Tele Finland doesn't appear to be mentioned at the target. JMWt (talk) 19:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Lefki, Lasithi. Liz Read! Talk! 23:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kavaloi

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No refs on the page for many years. I'm not seeing refs to add which count towards notability but if be interested if anyone can suggest anything else JMWt (talk) 18:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 23:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perati Bridge attack

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No evidence of notability. An attack on a border post as part of a broader invasion is hardly notable, unless something extraordinary happened here or it received coverage for other reasons, which is not in evidence. The battle itself is covered in one sentence. Constantine ✍ 18:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Beano comic strips. Liz Read! Talk! 23:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Richard the Lion

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No refs on the page for many years. Nothing much found to suggest this character in a comic is notable. JMWt (talk) 18:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Felix McBrearty

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was ‎ no consensus. There is some disagreement on how significant the sourcing is as it comes to notability, but I cannot see that either side is clearly in the wrong here. Overall, a consensus for deletion is lacking. Sjakkalle (Check!) 04:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jack McKenna

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Sigcov available - article about subject in Irish Examiner, Leinster Leader, op-ed about subject in Irish Independent (please note the author is not related to the subject in spite of their surname) and Balls.ie. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 18:19, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Irish Examiner - routine coverage after a victory. /// Kildare Now - more about how he just happened to be the recipient of Paul Lim's nine darter than anything about the man himself. /// Irish Independent - passing mention in an article more concerned with the drinking culture in darts. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Irish Examiner article actually interviews the subject about stuff further than just his victory and is beyond just the routine coverage of "subject won match". Leinster Leader (Kildare Now) is still sigcov beyond discussing Paul Lim's nine darter in two of the paragraphs. Irish Independent article remains an op-ed that heavily discusses McKenna. Furthermore, coverage is available in depth about McKenna in Dartsnews.com. As well as this, there was a full length article in the Sunday Tribune in 2010 about McKenna which absolutely meets SIGCOV - though the article itself has been taken down, it's been reuploaded by the journalist who wrote the piece here. With these six I think the case for meeting GNG is clear. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 21:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Irish Examiner is blatantly routine coverage after a victory whereby he discusses his preparation for the next game. That's the entire article? /// Kildare Now is almost entirely about Lim's nine darter, with the exception of the final paragraph, where the "significant coverage" consists of a man saying he doesn't drink alcohol. /// Irish Independent is an article where we learn McKenna was, you guessed it, the man who stood behind Paul Lim as he hit the nine darter, we learn that he has a chest infection at the time of writing the article, and that he was once in a minibus that broke down near Drogheda. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 22:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    All three remain articles specifically about the subject - and yes, you might find whatever's mentioned in the op-ed boring, that doesn't really matter in terms of the fact there's been a national newspaper op-ed written with several paragraphs about him. But even taking your definition of WP:ROUTINE (which if it was just "McKenna won this match" and no further comment from or about subject I'd agree with, but it's not, so it's not) at its best and throwing out the three articles you disagree with, that still leaves three other full articles that provide significant coverage of McKenna. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 22:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    An article where 5 paragraphs out of 6 talk about Paul Lim's nine darter is mathematically not specifically about this bloke whatsoever. I never said anything was boring, I just literally described what the Independent article was? How a darts player prepares for his second game after winning his first game is very WP:ROUTINE, which is what that article in the Examiner. The Darts News article is five paragraphs summarising a 34 year career, one paragraph of which is about, yep, you guessed it, Paul Lim's nine-darter. The remaining paragraphs are very much WP:ROUTINE reporting of six matches in his 34 year career. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 22:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete. The Irish Examiner source is routine pre-match hype with roughly a sentence of secondary coverage Red XN. Kildare Now has about two sentences of secondary coverage, with the rest being coverage of Lim, primary, or quotes Red XN. The Independent source is a first-person OpEd; per policy this is considered primary and therefore unusable for GNG. Balls.ie is almost entirely an interview, with the minimal secondary coverage being in the context of Lim's performance Red XN. JoelleJay (talk) 22:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, the British Newspaper Archive appears to have plenty of coverage of him, including mentions such as "Jack McKenna is a household name in Irish sport" and "Jack McKenna is the best darts player Ireland has ever produced". BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Are tabloid newspapers considered reliable sources? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 00:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Several of those (e.g. randomly selected national Evening Herald and Sunday World) are of the newspaper size tabloid, not that they necessarily engage in tabloid journalism. Someone who has multiple sources attesting him as a national "household name" and "the best darts player" in the nation's history is clearly notable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Except they do engage in tabloid journalism. Hence my comment. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 09:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Source? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:20, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marc Dewsbury

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nathan Derry

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sebastian Steyer

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to List of Marvel Comics characters: S. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stilt-Man

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This got restored recently after its prior AfD last year. It was restored per new sourcing, but this sourcing is nowhere near significant enough to verify separate notability. I've discussed this on the talk page with the editor who revived the article, and I will transclude the source analysis I left there for simplicity's sake:

1. A Comicbook.com listicle which gives a single paragraph among a large number of other characters. The actual paraphrasing of the source in the article is nearly as long if not longer than the source's own, and the actual source itself is really only saying "He's a fan favorite" with little to no other additional commentary beyond that. This source's importance I feel is being blown out of proportion in the current article as it stands.

2. A Game Rant source which doesn't contribute to notability per Wikipedia:VALNET. While there's an ongoing discussion for this, until that discussion's come to a close, the current policy should still be adhered to. Game Rant is a low quality content farm a large bulk of the time, and cannot be considered a good indicator of subject notability.

3. A MovieWeb listicle, which, while alright, is still only one half-decent source in what is evidently a character with very little Wikipedia:SIGCOV or coverage independently focusing on the character. MovieWeb is additionally owned by Valnet, but I am admittedly unsure if it is also a content farm to the same degree Valnet usually is with sources like Game Rant or CBR, or if it actually publishes solid content consistently like some other valid Valnet sources like Collider and TheGamer.

The only other source here that was a notable addition is a book source, which is only used to verify plot information, and thus does not seem to contribute toward notability. I left this detailed summary to the reviver on the talk page of the article, and received no response. Given the controversial nature of another BLAR as a result, I've elected to take this back to AfD to settle this. There's really only about one source that seems to give any degree of notability, and it's small and seemingly the only one to exist. As it stands, there doesn't seem to be any degree of substantial improvement since the last AfD, and this should be redirected back to the list Stilt-Man had been redirected to previously. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 17:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @BOZ, who revived the article, for input in this discussion. Additionally pinging @Industrial Insect, @Piotrus, @Rtkat3, and @BoomboxTestarossa, who participated in the previous AfD, for input. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 17:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge I don't believe the new sourcing is strong enough to warrant restoring the article (mostly being from Valnet content farms), although I'm not sure about the validity of the physical sources. Industrial Insect (talk) 13:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abílio Vieira

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Similar case to Idelfonso da Silva. Brief career for Timor-Leste but with no evidence of meeting WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. My searches only yielded database sources like NFT, which do not meet notability requirements any more. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 17:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bertolomeu Verdial

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Despite his cap for Timor-Leste, I can't find anything that might count towards WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC. Several players with 1 international cap have been deleted recently as a cap is no longer an exemption from GNG. My own WP:BEFORE found nothing other than database sources. Article creator is indefinitely blocked. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 17:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Armando Varela

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Despite his two appearances at international level, I can't find any evidence of a WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG pass. The best that I can find is Dantri, a mere squad listing. Several players with 1 or 2 caps for Timor-Leste have been deleted recently for the same reasons. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 17:32, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Tavantius (talk) 18:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LLCC

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Of this disambiguation, one is a red link, meaning only two topics (a part of a tropical cyclone and a community college) are covered by this. As Wikipedia's guidelines on disambiguation pages states that these types of articles need a minimum of three topics to exist, I believe it should be deleted. Tavantius (talk) 16:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I just saw the links you added. In that case, I'll close it as the nominator... Tavantius (talk) 18:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 23:34, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Colleˊ Kharis

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a musician and filmmaker, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for either musicians or filmmakers. The attempted notability claim here is minor film and music awards that aren't prominent enough to clinch an instant notability pass in the absence of solidly reliable sourcing, but the article is referenced almost entirely to primary sources rather than reliable ones -- YouTube, Q&A interviews in which he's talking about himself in the first person, music metaverifying its own existence on Spotify or Apple Music, marketing content self-published by his own record label, his own social media accounts, etc. -- and the very few marginally (but not solidly) reliable sources are not enough to get him over WP:GNG all by themselves if the sourcing is 95 per cent garbage otherwise.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have much, much better references than this. Bearcat (talk) 15:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. WP:SNOWCLOSE before any more personal attacks happen and some editors start facing sanctions. There is a clear consensus that, at this time, this is a notable event, there is plenty of reliable sourcing and if the article is not neutral, that can be improved through careful editing.

No penalty on a return trip to AFD in a few months to consider a Redirect or Merge. But please do not turn around tomorrow and renominate this article because this is a decisive closure and another AFD would come to the same outcome. Liz Read! Talk! 06:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Trump rally at Madison Square Garden

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Fails WP:NOTNEWS and WP:TOOSOON. We don't need a page for every rally held during an election season, only if they are particularly notable (i.e. his rally in Butler, PA). I don't see anything that makes this one specifically notable; sure, there's been plenty coverage on the bizzare racist remarks made at it but that happens every time. CoconutOctopus talk 15:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happy that this article has been improved enough to keep; if coverage does fizzle out in future then we can relist but consensus is for Keep. I'd close myself but as there's a few Draftify votes I can't. CoconutOctopus talk 07:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. Let’s wait until we get more information about the rally to put into the article.
Considering Tony Hinchecliffe’s comments could potentially cost Trump Pennsylvania, I think this rally will be looked back on as as a major event in the election.
I think the article should stay. ZachM097 (talk) 15:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but Wait until after the election concludes before re-assessing it's notability. Let's not rush to delete an article with plenty of coverage based on lack of WP:LASTING notability which may very well develop. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 15:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now per GeorgeMemulous and Great Mercian, too soon to say it's not notable. HappyWith (talk) 18:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I think we should be able to get a close now. Seems like no way it’s gonna get deleted now. HappyWith (talk) 14:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify is the best solution IMO if there are concerns about WP:TOOSOON IMO.
-1ctinus📝🗨 18:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Important rally with huge political blowback, covered heavier than most by the media. Personisinsterest (talk) 20:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This rally has gained substantial coverage in reliable secondary sources. CJ-Moki (talk) 20:22, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify Right now, the premise of the article follows Democratic Party rhetoric that seems to be false. Specifically, that the location of the rally was somehow an intentional callback to the 1939 rally, a sentiment spearheaded by Hillary Clinton before the rally even started, and thereby the content of the rally can be assumed to be racist. But nothing in coverage suggests that there was directly racist language at the rally. Comments by Tony Hinchcliffe are, as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said on Twitter, was merely crude humor, that it's problematic nature was the context of Donald Trump's poor handling of Puerto Rico. Furthermore, even the comedian noted that the crowd was not enjoying his comedy ("this is a groan-y little crowd tonight"), and surrounding information indicates that the sentiments were not representative of the rally's purpose. While other speakers did say problematic things about the value of IQ, none of it was related to race. Neither were comments about illegal immigrants being largely composed of criminals necessarily racist, as the false narrative that illegal immigrants are largely composed of criminals does not issue directly from race. Essentially, the notability of the article is based from in-direct or objectively false claims, even if they do come from sources that are normally credible. But clearly not credible in this case, as not one of the sources was capable of giving a single example of racist language at the rally. If their articles were Wikipedia articles, we'd have to stick some [be specific] and [clarify] tags around statements that we are here using as a source. The fact that nobody noticed this is worrying to me. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 20:29, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep, with the important concession that the article must be restructured to draw greater attention to the historical paralells with Hitler’s Nuremberg rallies, which are the primary reason for the rally’s notability. The rally is notable for its open, unapologetic endorsement of Nazism and fascism by Trump and was regarded as such by virtually all mainstream commentators all of which used the words “Nazi” and “Fascist” in discussing the rally. Since this is precisely what makes the rally notable according to reliable sources, we must reorient the article to reflect the analogy to the 1939 nazi rally at MSG and Hitler’s nuremberg rallies, similar events which also have their own articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fearless Speech (talk • contribs) 21:08, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was no open endorsement of Nazism or fascism by Trump or any of the rally's speakers. That news articles used the word Nazi and Fascist is because of Hillary Clinton's drawing the parallel as a diminutive, not because there was a serious reason to draw the parallel. IronMaidenRocks (talk) 21:27, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This rally was more significant than Trump's other rallies and has strong parallels to the 1939 Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden. Additionally, this rally was unique in that it was not designed for campaigning but rather to activate Trump's base for after the election. MattEditor02 (talk) 22:24, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify - WIKIPEDIA:NOTNEWS WIKIPEDIA:CRYSTAL The comments made at this rally were certainly horrendous and inexcusable, but this is not the first (or final) rally where Trump or his guest speakers have made notably bigoted comments which have been reported in the media. It is possible that this rally will continue to be discussed in the media and it may even have lasting impacts on the 2024 election (October Surprise perhaps), but until that can be definitively demonstrated or reported on, I don't think it merits having an article. Flangalanger (talk) 22:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am willing to change my stance to Weak Keep, as the article has been rewritten to include more sources and now has actual meat to it. That said, the section about Tony Hinchcliffe's speech is a pretty significant chunk of the article and if coverage of this rally fizzles out in a day or two, then I think merging it into Hinchcliffe's article would be acceptable, too. Flangalanger (talk) 02:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - front page coverage on just about every major newspaper. Guettarda (talk) 00:02, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You do realize Basket of deplorables is a Good article on Wikipedia, yeah? ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:25, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i've seen this guy's last account get banned Nohorizonss (talk) 05:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
lets see more bombastic rallies or another coup attempt Nohorizonss (talk) 05:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You don't delete an article because you believe the coverage surrounding it to be overblown. If anything, that is a strong indictment for keeping the article. 80.1.141.100 (talk) 13:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - The article is certainly relevant at the moment. Whether or not it will remain relevant may decide whether it should remain as a permanent article. That can not be decided before the rally's actual impact on the election has been considered. I do have concerns about the statement that "top Trump advisors Mark Milley, John Kelly and Jim Mattis had recently described Trump in such terms." when the citation, and general knowledge, refer only to John Kelly making such a statement.
Freeholdman12 (talk) 15:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
   The move to remove the article when it is currently relevant appears to be politically motivated.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:547:CA00:D600:5D56:5EA4:34E0:419D (talk) 06:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They wrote a letter recently Nohorizonss (talk) 06:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, but way to assume bad faith! CoconutOctopus talk 07:23, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge‎ to Marc Klasfeld. Liz Read! Talk! 23:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do Not Enter (upcoming film)

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Could not find any news coverage of this film more recent than what is present in the article. I didn't even find any sources on the name change. Does not appear to be notable given current limited coverage. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 15:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Turkish State Railways. If editors want to Merge any content, it is there in the page history. Liz Read! Talk! 23:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TCDD Subdivision 3

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I think there are too many articles about Turkish rail. This has been tagged for years as unsourced and the Turkish article is strangely cited. If readers might wish to know the regions we could link from Turkish State Railways to https://static.tcdd.gov.tr/webfiles/userfiles/files/sebekebildirimi/2025/ing/3219.pdf where they are shown in the lowest map Chidgk1 (talk) 15:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: It can be summed up in the TCDD article. (Central Data Bank (talk) 18:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC))[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Whether to redirect and where to is up to editors; consensus about this is not clear here. Sandstein 21:34, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joey Luft

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Clear case of WP:NOTINHERITED. As evidenced in all the refs. TheLongTone (talk) 13:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Takeoff!. Liz Read! Talk! 23:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Despoilers of the Golden Empire

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No refs on the page for many years. Nothing much found which could be added which would count towards the notability criteria JMWt (talk) 13:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment if there isn't anything, should be merged into Takeoff!, where this story was later collected PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect‎ to Okinawa Arena. as an ATD. Liz Read! Talk! 23:39, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okinawa City Stadium

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No refs on the page. Nothing much found which suggests notability outside of FC Ryukyu JMWt (talk) 13:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails WP:GNG. Does appear to be a historic venue, although its Japanese article is poor with sources. A quick Google search in Japanese about its history does not reveal much (although my Japanese comprehension is poor, so if anyone more fluent in it does show coverage I may change my opinion). Takipoint123 (talk) 14:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:39, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Murder of Yafim Weinstein

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. No indication of notability. Common occurence. scope_creepTalk 09:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment several of the sources in this article are SIGCOV, so it definitely does not fail that. Sigcov being defined as it is in the guideline as content that "addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content." Whether it passes WP:NEVENT is a different matter. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I agree with PARAKANYAA that there is plenty of SIGCOV. I would like to see more lasting yet, according to nom, the problem is SIGCOV. No such problem. gidonb (talk) 23:36, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After Pharaoh of the Wizards's research, I feel better about LASTING. Kudos for identifying so many good sources, Pharaoh! I had seen MUCH MORE SIGCOV, in Hebrew, in the 2009–2016 range. gidonb (talk) 22:51, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Hebrew Wikipedia is not even referenced. And going around putting text in uppercase is the typical fare from yourself. scope_creepTalk 16:17, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A few words in uppercase come really handy. Folks can quickly see where you put your emphasis. It's respectful to fellow-Wikipedians, who are also plowing through large amounts of information and are trying to make good sense of it. Now you say something about a lack of referencing on Hewiki. Can you put that comment on the talk page over there? It's a bit out of context here. I can make sure that the fine reference it has also is included here. gidonb (talk) 22:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. gidonb (talk) 22:32, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ Lappin, Yaakov (30 November 2009). "Taxi driver found dead in cab in North". The Jerusalem Post. Retrieved 24 October 2024.
  2. ^ "Nazareth Imam Convicted of Inciting Terror". Israel National News. Retrieved 24 October 2024.
  3. ^ Shay, S. (2017). Somalia in Transition Since 2006. Taylor & Francis. p. 1-PT87. ISBN 978-1-351-48876-1. Retrieved 24 October 2024.
  4. ^ Azriel, Guy (28 June 2010). "7 Nazareth residents indicted for attacks against Jews, Christians". CNN. CNN. Archived from the original on 9 September 2014. Retrieved 8 September 2014.
  5. ^ Ashkenazi, Eli (15 July 2010). "Shin Bet Arrests Eight Israeli Arabs for Illicit Arms Trading". Haaretz.com. Retrieved 24 October 2024.
  • Comment The problem with the coverage is the WP:ROUTINE nature of a generic event, a taxi driver killed, that happens as a regular event all over the planet and has been happening with Jews and other folk for centuries. There is not a single thing makes this standout event as anything special, yet it has been elevated in a manner that doesn't fit. That is the reason I sent it for delete. We record the mundane, the mediocre and the generic on here and we don't know how to get rid of this trash. Here is one [30] in reverse. scope_creepTalk 04:48, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Getting a lot of 403's and a couple of passing mention on this entirely routine report of murder. I cant seem to see them. I'll try in the morning again but it does seem complete mundane, mediocre and generic reporting. scope_creepTalk 02:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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That doesn't make it notable either. Another common occurence on a routine event. scope_creepTalk 07:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Routine events do not get five straight years of coverage. If that's what we're calling routine, what isn't routine? I still am unsure if it fulfills NEVENT but WP:ROUTINE gives as examples "common, everyday, ordinary items that do not stand out—are probably not notable. This is especially true of the brief, often light and amusing (for example bear-in-a-tree or local-person-wins-award)" stories. Which this, a case where a terrorist cell with ties to an international terrorist group, in a country where terror cells are unusual, killed a man, resulting in several convictions of the terror group members and related people and had several years of coverage in mainstream newspapers, probably is not. More pressing issues appear to be depth of coverage, which I am unsure if this passes. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Sandstein 21:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adventures in a City that does not Exist

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Non-notable film, does not appear to have received notable coverage in English or Russian (WP:GNG). While it was produced at a notable film studio and involved some significant Soviet actors such as Nikolai Grinko and Valery Nosik playing main roles, it does not appear to be considered a significant part of their careers and thus does not satisfy the guidelines at WP:FILM.--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 12:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Why should this article be deleted? It is not spam, it is in fact a notable Soviet picture - I do not see any reason why this should be removed from Wikipedia. Er nesto (talk) 12:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to History of the London Underground. Editors can also choose to Merge some content into Barbican tube station should they wish to. Liz Read! Talk! 22:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harry Pitts

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Fails WP:VICTIM. (Harry Pitts (footballer) should be moved here.) Maybe he could be merged to History of the London Underground? Clarityfiend (talk) 10:03, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge, per TaoT. A standalone article is not warranted, especially when the subject can be better contextualized in other articles. JoelleJay (talk) 17:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline of Kilgore, Texas

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Poorly conceived "timeline" article for a small city (pop. 13K) with no significant events being listed to justify the need for a "timeline". This is the type of thing we can spin out for communities where there's actual substance for the list to contain, but it isn't a thing that every town or city in the world automatically gets as a matter of course -- but apart from "Establishment of Kilgore College", referenced to Kilgore College's own self-published website about itself rather than a WP:GNG-worthy news article, this otherwise consists exclusively of random population updates with no other significant or properly sourced events listed.
The creator of this has also tried to arbitrarily create a full-on Kilgore-specific WikiProject without going through the proper processes for that (or justifying why a small city with a population of just 13,000 people would need its own full-on WikiProject in the first place), which isn't a deletion rationale in and of itself but does suggest that they need some education in how Wikipedia actually works.
No prejudice against recreation in the future if and when there's substantive content to list, but we would need to see a lot more than just community population estimates. Bearcat (talk) 12:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WeirdNAnnoyed, would probably group History of Kilgore, Texas and Sports in Kilgore as well, as I think it could reasonably be included as part of the history and sports portions of the article. reppoptalk 22:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not enough content for a timeline article. History page serves it just fine. -1ctinus📝🗨 22:19, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. ✗plicit 12:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stockport, Indiana

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Indications are that this was a railroad station and not a settlement. Mangoe (talk) 11:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Indiana. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This one probably merits retention since it seems to have been a small but real town in years past, as noted in county maps and plat books from 1903,1904,1908, 1938, etc. There’s also a fair amount of newspaper coverage from the early 20th century, like this interesting tidbit from the Muncie Evening Press on 26 October 1900:

    "Stockport, a little town six miles northwest of Muncie, which since yesterday has been located on the C., I. & E. road, has other claims to distinction than that being a railroad town. It is the home of William McKinley, cousin to the president, who bears the same name..."

    The town seems to have had at least a Baptist church, a school, a general store (robbed repeatedly [31][32]), and a railway station[33], with other articles noting things like unrest over a local killing[34] and other lesser events. Whenever time permits I'd be happy to incorporate some of these pieces into the article. ╠╣uw [talk] 15:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ilias El Ghamarti

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Having done some research, it doesn't look like this person has had a notable football career. Claims like he has played for Kidderminster Harriers could not be verified; he played for a team that competed in the Dutch first level, but it was already March 2019 at that stage, by which time the club was in the fourth tier. On top of this, there is a real lack of significant coverage. C679 11:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kei Okawa

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Playing 14 football matches in Singapore is a weak claim to notability. The sources are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 11:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. ✗plicit 12:43, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greg Pitts

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Another WP:NACTOR fail. Lacking in significant, high-profile roles. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:35, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in favor of keeping the article. Google seems to think he's noteworthy enough that you can toggle between "overview," "Movies" and "TV shows" when you search his name. Iowamutt (talk) 01:39, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hits aren't enough. See WP:LOTSOFGHITS. Find some substantial sources. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:57, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:

    People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

    • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.

    Sources

    1. Squires, Chase (2006-03-28). "As an actor, Sarasota native Greg Pitts' claim to fame is a bit part in the cult film Office Space. But that could change if ABC's Sons & Daughters becomes a hit. Oh, that face" (pages 1 and 2). Tampa Bay Times. Archived from the original (pages 1 and 2) on 2024-10-26. Retrieved 2024-10-26 – via Newspapers.com.

      The article notes: "The name Greg Pitts might not mean much to most people. The 1992 University of South Florida grad hasn't reached the household-name level of stardom. But plenty of people know his face. A bit part in a quirky cult movie seven years ago cemented Pitts in pop culture as one of Hollywood's memorable louts. ... His next big chance—as a different kind of lout—is playing out now on television in ABC's offbeat comedy Sons & Daughters. Pitts, a 36-year-old Sarasota County native, plays Whitey, a dumb lug with a soft spot for his son. ... Pitts didn't set out to become an actor. He found the stage during his senior year in high school, but he went to USF as a business major. He made the decision to go pro during an accounting class, and after graduating in 1992 he joined a traveling comedy troupe, hoping for a break."

    2. Salman, Josh (2014-02-24). "Actor, famous for "Office Space" scene, takes on real estate in Sarasota County". Sarasota Herald-Tribune. Archived from the original on 2024-07-13. Retrieved 2024-10-26.

      The article notes: "Greg Pitts is trying to make a new name for himself in Southwest Florida real estate. The actor — famous for an unforgettable scene in the cult comedy “Office Space” — recently moved back to his hometown of Venice to follow in the footsteps of his family and begin a second career as a Realtor. ... Pitts was born at Sarasota Memorial Hospital in 1970 — growing up in the Sorrento Shores community that his grandfather developed. His father runs a real estate business — which his brother later joined — in Osprey."

    3. Cox, Billy (2006-11-13). "It's what fits, with Pitts. Venice High School grad, working Hollywood actor Gret Pitts makes his 'Oh face' as he awaits release of 'Idiocracy'". Sarasota Herald-Tribune. Archived from the original on 2024-10-26. Retrieved 2024-10-26.

      The article notes: "A member of the Venice High School Class of 1988 and a University of South Florida graduate, Greg Pitts has a minor "Idiocracy" role as a cameraman near the end of the film. "Office Space" aficionados will remember him for the "Oh face" lines he delivered with frat-house relish in Judge's wry take on corporate hell ... The USF drama major left for Tinseltown shortly after the Northridge earthquake fractured Southern California in 1994. Without so much as a let's-do-lunch contact in his wallet, Pitts found himself paying rent in a skanky Hollywood Boulevard neighborhood stalked by dopers, hookers and kung-fu brigades of Guardian Angels prowling for trouble with their red berets. In 2002, as his persistence began paying off with commercial work, Pitts created a Web site to post career updates for family and friends. The result is a sojourn of elation and despair, with pit stops at Verizon commercials and Allstate ads, and guest spots on "CSI" and "Grey's Anatomy" (Jerry O'Malley, George's brother). ... Pitts credits his parents, Lauden and Carolyn Pitts of Nokomis, for bolstering his fragile spirits during the lean, strange years. Dad actually encouraged him to move to Hollywood."

    4. Deggans, Eric (2000-10-31). "The long road to "Normal, Ohio'". Tampa Bay Times. Archived from the original on 2024-10-26. Retrieved 2024-10-26.

      The article notes: "Pitts, who holds a 1992 theater degree from the University of South Florida, is the only actor besides Goodman to appear in both versions of the show and applauds the revamp."

    5. Handelman, Jay (1998-03-24). "'Damon' Gives Actor His Break". Sarasota Herald-Tribune. Archived from the original on 2024-10-26. Retrieved 2024-10-26.

      The article notes: " Greg Pitts was sitting in an accounting class one day at the University of South Florida when he had one of those life-changing moments. ... After graduating from USF, Pitts moved to California where he studied with the Groundlings, the famed improvisational comedy troupe whose alumni include Paul Reubens (Pee-wee Herman). ... So Pitts started working a variety of jobs - House of Blues, production assistant, Blockbuster video - that gave him time to take classes and audition and also provided fodder for great stories."

    6. Bolduc, Douglas A. (1998-03-21). "VHS grad makes sitcom debut Sunday". Venice Gondolier Sun. Archived from the original on 2024-10-26. Retrieved 2024-10-26.

      The article notes: "Greg Pitts makes his television sitcom debut Sunday. The Venice High School graduate will share the small screen with television and movie stars Damon Wayans and David Alan Grier when the Fox Network premieres "Damon" at 8: 30 p.m. on WTVT Channel 13. ... Pitts earned his VHA diploma in 1988. He took acting classes as a senior, but the former class clown said he could never work up the courage to audition for a VHS production."

    7. Ridge, Kari K. (1998-03-20). "USF grad channels energies toward TV role. Greg Pitts, a former class clown once stymied by stage fright, now appears in DAMON, a Fox sitcom that premieres Sunday". Tampa Bay Times. Archived from the original on 2024-10-26. Retrieved 2024-10-26 – via Newspapers.com.

      The article notes: "Pitts, 28, grew up in the Osprey community of Sarasota, where the self-proclaimed class clown was always too scared to act in school plays. ... After graduating from Sarasota High School, he set out to earn a business degree from the University of South Florida. But he realized during his freshman year that business was not his life's ambition. ... Pitts took a role in a USF summer theater class performance of An Italian Straw Hat. ... After earning a theater degree in 1992, he acted in ..."

    8. Huskey, Judy (2006-02-05). "Venice High earns an 'A' for literacy celebration". Sarasota Herald-Tribune. Archived from the original on 2024-10-26. Retrieved 2024-10-26.

      The article notes: "Greg Pitts, son of Lauden and Carolyn Pitts of Nokomis, and a graduate of Venice High School and the University of South Florida's theatre program, will be in this enviable space today when promos runs for his new sitcom on ABC called "Sons and Daughters.""

    9. Westfahl, Gary (2015). A Day in a Working Life: 300 Trades and Professions through History. Santa Barbara, California: ABC-Clio. ISBN 978-1-61069-402-5. Retrieved 2024-10-26 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "If asked which is the most desirable profession-being a film actor, or being a real estate agent—almost everyone would opt for the glamorous Hollywood profession. Yet Greg Pitts (1970–) would beg to differ. After a career that included a memorable cameo in the film Office Space (1999) and a 2005 recurring role in the series Grey's Anatomy, Pitts decided to return to his home state of Florida and work alongside his brother and father as a real estate agent. With his acting experience, he should prove especially effective in persuading clients to purchase homes."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Greg Pitts to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 09:42, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Firm consensus that the nomination was some kind of error. (non-admin closure)‎ Geschichte (talk) 20:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propel (company)

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limited notability, as it primarily covers product details and lacks significant independent sources establishing its importance beyond being a Gatorade product line. Additionally, the content largely overlaps with Gatorade's main article, offering minimal unique information that justifies a standalone entry. Moarnighar (talk) 11:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Wanamaker, Kempton and Southern Railroad#Motive power. With one exception, all here believe that this individual locomotive does not warrant a separate article. Sandstein 21:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wanamaker, Kempton and Southern 65

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Lacks notability. This internally contradictory or confusing article (e.g. was it donated in 1970, acquired in 1972, or donated in 1972?) has mainly passing mentions, with the only somewhat substantial source a photography book "Classic Locomotives: Steam and Deisel[SIC] Power in 700 Photographs". The actual source for the article is this unreliable site [35] with some text taken literally from it. An editor tried to redirect this page to Wanamaker, Kempton and Southern Railroad#Motive power, which may be a good WP:ATD but needs to be decided here since it has been reversed. Fram (talk) 10:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This Afd doesn't just seem to be an WP:IDONTLIKEIT, it's an WP:IDONTLIKEWHOCREATEDIT, see User talk:Trainsandotherthings#Wanamaker, Kempton and Southern 65. That comes down to Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1143#Australian_railroad_IP, a ban on an unpopular IP editor. This article was not created by an IP. If their allegation is that Insomniac187 (talk · contribs) is a banned sock, then I believe we have an SPI process for dealing with that. The correct response is to investigate that SPI first, not this 'round up the usual suspects' approach. We certainly don't blank existing articles without even discussing that through the article talk:, or by notifying involved editors.
Sourcing here mostly rests on a book by Brian Solomon (we should perhaps have an article on Brian Solomon) who is a very well known railway author and certainly WP:RS. I do not have that particular book, nor has the nominator. The other source is a good but very PRIMARY photo collection on the personal website of one of the long-term drivers of the railroad involved. This is far from a 'passing mention'. Yes, it's PRIMARY. But nor are we making the "extraordinary claims" here mentioned above. For the existence and basic history of a loco on a modern tourist railway, this is adequate sourcing. If US makers like H.K. Porter are anything like the UK makers, there are also plenty of erudite texts that would cover the design of this class and the building records of this batch of locos. If this were a Bagnall or a Stephenson loco, or a small industrial saddle tank here in South Wales, my own bookshelves would source that in moments – but if I can't do that for the US, surely there are other editors who can? Andy Dingley (talk) 13:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Andy Dingley, please check again who started this AfD. I have nothing at all to do with your aspersions about IPs, socks, dislike of the creator, ... Once that is done, I will address your other misconceptions or misleading statements. Fram (talk) 14:10, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please comment on the article and the AfD, not personalising this into attacks on anyone who disagrees with it. Nor have I even mentioned you. Not everything on WP is about you. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Please comment on the article and the AfD, not personalising this into attacks on anyone who disagrees with it." after your previous post about the nom and the nature of this AfD? Oh well, that goes with your claim about "the other source" being "far from a passing mention". That sources wasn't in the article so wasn't included in my comment about passing mentions; as you well know, as I brought this very source to your attention in the AfD nom, and you then added it to the article. It is a source by a WK&S volunteer, so has no influence on the notability question beneath this AfD. The question is not about verifiability, not about "extraordinary claims", but about WP:NOTABILITY. The Solomon book, where you so impersonally stated "I do not have that particular book, nor has the nominator"; er, it is available right here, at least for me I can access the text about the WK&S 65 without any problems. Fram (talk) 14:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you are in the US. I am not. Google Books for me does not let me read the relevant pages of that book, I cannot know how much of it you can see. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:19, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you seriously accusing me of wanting to delete articles solely based on their author? That is not my stance. I offered my opinion on the subject's notability, and that had zero to do with who authored it. I don't care if Vladimir Putin personally wrote the article, I'm going to evaluate it based on how it meets or does not meet GNG. Based on my interpretation of our policies and guidelines, it does not meet GNG. Please strike your aspersion directed against me. I am also very disappointed you thought it appropriate to link a discussion on my talk page and implicitly make accusations against me without even having the decency to notify me. I would much like if you took your own advice: "Please comment on the article and the AfD, not personalising this into attacks on anyone who disagrees with it."
As for the sourcing, since you linked my talk, you should have seen that Solomon's book dedicates two sentences to the locomotive. That's not significant coverage. I never asserted he was not a reliable source, in fact I have used his works in a number of my articles. I asserted the coverage does not meet WP:SIGCOV. I am disappointed that you ignore that. I expected better from an editor of your tenure than this.
Anyways, redirect to Wanamaker, Kempton and Southern Railroad. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:27, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, get off your high horse. You have already AfD'ed this article creator's other articles at Union Pacific 9000 and Dieselmotive Company, Inc.. I am not required to notify you and if you're busy discussing article deletion with another editor there are tells in the writing style that match the IP's editing style (and not through either AfD or even the article's talk: page) then I expect you to be aware of our regular practices that you'll at least notice an AfD page on it.
I don't even particularly disagree with you. If think this IP is socking, then file an SPI and do it properly. But we don't work by suspicion, and we have an AfD process, not just a secret handshake somewhere away from scrutiny. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:10, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I AfD'd them because they weren't notable. I found these articles in New Page Patrol, where I focus on transportation related articles. A scan of my contributions would make this quite obvious. I did not reference any sort of claims of socking (or anything to do with the article creator) in either of those AfDs, because I actually agree that doing so would be inappropriate. I was asked for my personal opinion and I gave it. What I did not do was advocate for targeting this article solely based on who wrote it. My arguments were based on notability. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect unless an editor can provide references to actual genuine independent reliable sources that devote significant coverage to this particular locomotive. Speculating about the existence of plenty of erudite texts is of no value to this discussion, and even if such hypothetical texts existed and covered the design of this class and the building records of this batch of locos, they would be of no value in establishing the notability of this specific locomotive as opposed to a class of locomotives. Cullen328 (talk) 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]